Alexander the great continues his invasion of India

Yes an argument that has been exhausted to torture in Historum with all the Indian lovers trying to speculate all the impossible negative arguments and how marvellously strong was the Nandas with their thousands of war elephants and all their argument based on an extract from Plutarch about the empire across the river and how Alexander would cross the river Ganges etc etc without a stich of written evidence and above all,none of
them took into account Alexander(?)
Despite opinions to the contrary,Alexander was the lord of Asia and he intended to use Asia and its inexhaustible manpoewer and riches whatever
those were, to further his own ends.Already he was using Persian cavalry
units for his army as light(Persian) and heavy(Skyth and Sacca) cavalry in great numbers commaded by its native officers but with Macedonians and Thessalians in overall command;there were 10000 Persian noblemen's sons training like Hypaspists,and many other innovations,some of them seen in his Afgan campain.Alexander's empire was not at its limits;Alexander had just started flexing his muscles;If he succeded what he succeded to conquer in under eight years with an army of 40000,we don't need a lot of imagination to envisage what he would have done in the next ten years if he were to stay alive until 50-60.The great Khan of the Mongols had conquered only part of the Mongol empire when he died in 1227 and the great empire was due to his son's Ogodai achievements keeping as his fighting arm an Alexander-class friend of his father,Subodai.
What Alexander would do at that age? only wild speculation can near the truth,but India would never be his problem...
I am an admirer of Alexander's strategic and tactical genius but a denouncer of his elementary High Strategy(he was a head of state,a king)
and even more,his non-existent 'War Politics'.
All the Eastern armies were inferior to European armies on one aspect among others but the most important,and the Indian armies were more afflicted than most of that:lack of iron discipline;the discipline of the Greek Phalanx of the 5th and 4th centuries BC and the Roman legions after the innovations of Marius,that discipline which,under heavy odds and
despite of them grasped victories and held them.
The Mongolian archers fighting like a mob were ordinary nomads;the moment Ghinghis Khan sybjected them to the "YassaK" the world saw the most capable cavalry force the world had ever seen which conquered Eurasia from the Pacific to Adriatic in about a generation.
 
All the Eastern armies were inferior to European armies on one aspect among others but the most important,and the Indian armies were more afflicted than most of that:lack of iron discipline;the discipline of the Greek Phalanx of the 5th and 4th centuries BC and the Roman legions after the innovations of Marius,that discipline which,under heavy odds and
despite of them grasped victories and held them.

The Parthians would like to have a word with you about this point.
 
Yes an argument that has been exhausted to torture in Historum with all the Indian lovers trying to speculate all the impossible negative arguments and how marvellously strong was the Nandas with their thousands of war elephants and all their argument based on an extract from Plutarch about the empire across the river and how Alexander would cross the river Ganges etc etc without a stich of written evidence and above all,none of
them took into account Alexander(?)
Despite opinions to the contrary,Alexander was the lord of Asia and he intended to use Asia and its inexhaustible manpoewer and riches whatever
those were, to further his own ends.Already he was using Persian cavalry
units for his army as light(Persian) and heavy(Skyth and Sacca) cavalry in great numbers commaded by its native officers but with Macedonians and Thessalians in overall command;there were 10000 Persian noblemen's sons training like Hypaspists,and many other innovations,some of them seen in his Afgan campain.Alexander's empire was not at its limits;Alexander had just started flexing his muscles;If he succeded what he succeded to conquer in under eight years with an army of 40000,we don't need a lot of imagination to envisage what he would have done in the next ten years if he were to stay alive until 50-60.The great Khan of the Mongols had conquered only part of the Mongol empire when he died in 1227 and the great empire was due to his son's Ogodai achievements keeping as his fighting arm an Alexander-class friend of his father,Subodai.
What Alexander would do at that age? only wild speculation can near the truth,but India would never be his problem...
I am an admirer of Alexander's strategic and tactical genius but a denouncer of his elementary High Strategy(he was a head of state,a king)
and even more,his non-existent 'War Politics'.
All the Eastern armies were inferior to European armies on one aspect among others but the most important,and the Indian armies were more afflicted than most of that:lack of iron discipline;the discipline of the Greek Phalanx of the 5th and 4th centuries BC and the Roman legions after the innovations of Marius,that discipline which,under heavy odds and
despite of them grasped victories and held them.
The Mongolian archers fighting like a mob were ordinary nomads;the moment Ghinghis Khan sybjected them to the "YassaK" the world saw the most capable cavalry force the world had ever seen which conquered Eurasia from the Pacific to Adriatic in about a generation.

And yet I distinctly remember there being a subcontinent in Asia that wasn't brought into the Mongol Empire...;)
 
And yet I distinctly remember there being a subcontinent in Asia that wasn't brought into the Mongol Empire...;)
They repeatedly defeated the Indians and I remember Tamerlane occupying Agra.
Any way the Mongols were interested only about the Sultanate of Delhi.You cannot accuse them for something they were not interested in...

India was not all that tempting apple some think it was...
 
They repeatedly defeated the Indians and I remember Tamerlane occupying Agra.
Any way the Mongols were interested only about the Sultanate of Delhi.You cannot accuse them for something they were not interested in...

India was not all that tempting apple some think it was...
I was being snarky. Well aware about Tamerlane's conflicts with the Delhi Sultanate. And yet he did not create a proper empire there. Most he could do were raids. And this from a man whose empire stretched from Eastern Anatolia to Kyrgyzstan.

Alexander, however, did not possess the same advantages the Mongols and Turks did with regards to India, and he was overstretched.
 
And of course, even if in a contest of battles Alexander wins, disease and weather and other concerns will savagely abuse his forces.

And Alexander does not have much he can do about that.
 
The Parthians would like to have a word with you about this point.

Parthians had the discipline of the Persian cavalry that traditionally excelled;the problem with Persians was on the ground.They could never coordinate infantry and cavalry or infantry and its training leaved much to be desired.Indians the same.The Indian provinces the Persians subjugaded,it was due to their superior cavalry.

Something else about the Parthians:facing Romans of Crassus without the support of any cavalry of note made it a sport;the Persians facing Thessallians and Alexander's heavy cavalry was a completely different matter altogether...
 
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I just don't see this happenign because all the Greeks and Macedonians had had enough and just wanted to go home. They had already revolted twice before I think and pushing to conquer India would have been way to much to ask.
 
Let's say Alexander pushes to conquer India and a few months down the Ganges, his troops mutiny and kill him in the night.

What happens then?
 
Let's say Alexander pushes to conquer India and a few months down the Ganges, his troops mutiny and kill him in the night.

What happens then?

Not sure they would kill him, more likely just walk off the job as they did earilier. Alex goes and sulks in his tent and then agrees to go home.
 
Not sure they would kill him, more likely just walk off the job as they did earilier. Alex goes and sulks in his tent and then agrees to go home.

Sulking in his tent alone like a spoiled brat was another noble skill Alexander possessed.

Cimon is right about Alexander's manpower and riches being the Lord of all Asia. However, continuing his invasion of India in 326BCE (I still have all my slideshow presentation from my Alexander the Great class) would have been a disaster. His Macedonian troops were already mutining as he continued his expedition into India...these would have continued.
There were conspiracies to assassinate him even before India. Chances if he continues the invasion increase dramatically. And, as already stated, disease would have continued ravaging his troops.

The only way would have been to go back to Babylon, gather more troops from Greece and Persia and then try again. And we all know what happened when he went back...
 
Weren't they originally Persian-influenced Afghans of Turkish and Mongol ancestry?
Originally, yes, but Akbar and especially Jahangir were by rights, Indian rulers (though of course, heavily influenced by Persian cultural tradition)
 
By this logic, conquest made Genghis Khan and Kubilai Khan Chinese.
No, by your logic, Babur would be Indian. Akbar, however, was born in India and considered himself Indian. Jahangir's mother was a Rajput and he considered himself Indian as well. By Akbar's rule, the Mughal Empire essentially became an Indian empire, rather than a foreign one.
 
No, by your logic, Babur would be Indian. Akbar, however, was born in India and considered himself Indian. Jahangir's mother was a Rajput and he considered himself Indian as well. By Akbar's rule, the Mughal Empire essentially became an Indian empire, rather than a foreign one.

They considered themselves Indian? I don't think a sense of Indian identity even existed back then.
 
Because there's not that much to wank with. The Indo-Greek and Greco-Bactrian Kingdoms just don't have the leverage to do much against the Maurya.

I agree it'd probably be hard to do better than the Indo-Greeks did OTL, considering what they had to work with and the threats they had to deal with.

If you could somehow prevent them from losing Bactria to the Saka they might be able to last a couple extra centuries, but that's about all I can think of.
 
Sulking in his tent alone like a spoiled brat was another noble skill Alexander possessed.

Cimon is right about Alexander's manpower and riches being the Lord of all Asia. However, continuing his invasion of India in 326BCE (I still have all my slideshow presentation from my Alexander the Great class) would have been a disaster. His Macedonian troops were already mutining as he continued his expedition into India...these would have continued.
There were conspiracies to assassinate him even before India. Chances if he continues the invasion increase dramatically. And, as already stated, disease would have continued ravaging his troops.

The only way would have been to go back to Babylon, gather more troops from Greece and Persia and then try again. And we all know what happened when he went back...

He didn't have to go back to Babylon;armies don't accumulate fatigue for no reason;and I believe he only had to summon the units he wanted; if he wanted to camp in Porus kingdom and start the campaign from there waiting for relief units to send back his veterans he could do so and start recconaissance in force with Taxiles division(5000 horse) and from whatever strength he could draw from Porus kingdom promising Porus a suitable reward.
Continuous harassment of the enemy with local troops used to live in the same conditions as those on the other side.In that situation the enemy becomes confused,starts suffering from inertia until he is finally attacked and he is slow in reacting.I estimate that the first units to arrive would be those of Ionia and the old Parmenion's command and Alexander should ready in anything between three and six months.If he doesn't go to Babylon he doesn't get sick and doesn't die on balance of probabilities...
And a few words about deseases:an 'anofeles' mosquito doesn't distinguish between an Indian and a Greek or Persian.The problem would be the same for every body.The English(of all people) went to India and their conquest proceeded well.The conquistadores in central and South America met the same conditions and persevered and medicine was little different in Alexander's time and the sixteenth or eighteenth centuries;medicine has progressed in leaps and bounds only after 1940(and still is infuriatingly inadequate!).I don't understand why some think that would be the factor to break Alexander's or Tamerlane's or anybody else's campaign...I believe it wouldn't.
 
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