POD's are No Treaty of 1818, Oregon Treaty and the UK buys Alaska before 1867. what effects it would have on the Canada, USA, and the rest of the timeline.
The ultimate ownership of Washington and Oregon would be determined by the nationality of the people moving there, not British/Canadian claims. Accordingly, in time they would become part of the USA because the vast majority of settlers were Americans. Think of what happened in Texas.
It is my opinion that Napoleon sold us half our country in the Louisiana Purchase because he knew we would eventually get it anyway...simply by moving in by the thousands. This was an irresistible demographic reality. Same for Oregon/Washington.
Don't know about Alaska.
The ultimate ownership of Washington and Oregon would be determined by the nationality of the people moving there, not British/Canadian claims. Accordingly, in time they would become part of the USA because the vast majority of settlers were Americans. Think of what happened in Texas.
It is my opinion that Napoleon sold us half our country in the Louisiana Purchase because he knew we would eventually get it anyway...simply by moving in by the thousands. This was an irresistible demographic reality. Same for Oregon/Washington.
Don't know about Alaska.
Except OTL, Americans moving to Canada assimilated and became Canadians. If the De facto government is British, it will happen in Oregon.
Sorry, but that's not what Napoleon was thinking. He had every intention of extending French power into the heart of North America. To do that, though, he'd need to retake Saint-Domingue. When that plan failed, and the 15 000 veteran troops he'd had earmarked for Louisiana end up dying in the Haitian jungles, that's when he decided to sell all of Louisiana to the US. Once it became clear that Saint-Domingue was truly lost, it would have been strategically impossible to hold Louisiana with the British in control of the sea lanes in the Caribbean.
A POD at this time (my favourite is that Napoleon decides to not try to reimpose slavery in Saint-Domingue), and you've got 15-20 000 crack French troops in Louisiana and France with every incentive to encourage settlement, the US will be a long time in building up the strength to challenge them.
The ultimate ownership of Washington and Oregon would be determined by the nationality of the people moving there, not British/Canadian claims. Accordingly, in time they would become part of the USA because the vast majority of settlers were Americans. Think of what happened in Texas.
Depends if Britain is tied up elsewhere. If the Empire is fighting the French or the Spanish then land on the edge of the world may be abandoned. If not then "Over your dead body. It is ours!"Would the US be willing to go to war with Britain over it?
Britain isn't Mexico.
Will the settlers try it against Britain?
Could they succeed on their own?
Would the US be willing to go to war with Britain over it?
Depends if Britain is tied up elsewhere. If the Empire is fighting the French or the Spanish then land on the edge of the world may be abandoned. If not then "Over your dead body. It is ours!"
The ultimate ownership of Washington and Oregon would be determined by the nationality of the people moving there, not British/Canadian claims. Accordingly, in time they would become part of the USA because the vast majority of settlers were Americans. Think of what happened in Texas.
I see your Texas and raise you Upper Canada in the early 1800's.
To split hairs, Upper Canada (Ontario) was settled by British loyalists not Americans per se. Seriously though, there was never, soldiers during the War of 1812 aside, a massive flow of Americans into UC for settlement purposes.
To split hairs, Upper Canada (Ontario) was settled by British loyalists not Americans per se. Seriously though, there was never, soldiers during the War of 1812 aside, a massive flow of Americans into UC for settlement purposes.
And then it was settled by a majority of American immigrants in the period between the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 due to the British policy of appeasement through low taxes in comparison to spiking American taxes and land costs. They were largely apathetic toward the Monarchy or the Republic, a minority of each were interested toward one or the other-the main drive of those leaning toward the Americans was in reaction to the capital stranglehold exercised by the landed gentry of the Family Compact. Subsequent actions by the American military pretty much turned them against the US and solidified their loyalty to Canada.