AKP declared illegal by Turkish Cons. Court

WI they declared it illegal? Erdogan would have to resign, but since the AKP has such a huge majority, the opposition couldn't form a government. Perhaps the "e-mail coup" comes into play as well...
 
Bad Shit would follow obviously, but the Constitutional Court would have to be severely off its rocker to do this. I'm sure AHP can provide details, but for now: the AKP is still legal for a reason.
 
I'd think that if the move to outlaw the AKP was successful, that would in effect constitute a coup, so no matter what the reasoning for the subsequent caretaker government is, it will for all intents and purposes be a military dictatorship. As long as the democratic structure remains in place, and the Constitutional Court is dedicated to upholding it, they won't do such a thing
 
If the AKP had been outlawed, a new party would have been formed and the current leadership would have had to do their best to control it from behind the scenes until they were permitted to run for office again.

In the meantime, the rickety coalition of secularist parties would busily despoil the nation and get nothing done, while clamping down on Islam, the Kurds, and democracy in general, which would fuel an AKP comeback. Meanwhile, the President, who is constitutionally "above party", would remain in office and would be likely to resist the government in every way possible.

I think that is what prevented the Court from banning the party, not its dedication to democracy.

I'm surrounded by Kemalist Turks to whom every woman in a headscarf is a 9-11. I'm so sick and f#$%ing tired of hearing their crap, which sounds exactly like the paranoid delusion of GOP Teabaggers.

Anyway, the irony is that the Kemalists take a purely Ottoman approach, that is top-down politics - "you'll do it our way and like it because you're illiterate peasants and we're the fucking elite!", whereas the AKP has built it's support from the grassroots. If the secularists want to win votes, they are going to have to start to represent the people an not their own narrow interests.
 

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If the AKP had been outlawed, a new party would have been formed and the current leadership would have had to do their best to control it from behind the scenes until they were permitted to run for office again.

In the meantime, the rickety coalition of secularist parties would busily despoil the nation and get nothing done, while clamping down on Islam, the Kurds, and democracy in general, which would fuel an AKP comeback. Meanwhile, the President, who is constitutionally "above party", would remain in office and would be likely to resist the government in every way possible.

I think that is what prevented the Court from banning the party, not its dedication to democracy.

I'm surrounded by Kemalist Turks to whom every woman in a headscarf is a 9-11. I'm so sick and f#$%ing tired of hearing their crap, which sounds exactly like the paranoid delusion of GOP Teabaggers.

Anyway, the irony is that the Kemalists take a purely Ottoman approach, that is top-down politics - "you'll do it our way and like it because you're illiterate peasants and we're the fucking elite!", whereas the AKP has built it's support from the grassroots. If the secularists want to win votes, they are going to have to start to represent the people an not their own narrow interests.

So the AKP are basically a far more awesome form of the Democrats, while the Kemalists and secularists are the GOP in a Democratic Tent?
 
Hash, wouldn't the AKP would be the Republicans, since they're allegedly the social conservatives? I don't know Erdogan's economic platform, though by the EU talks I suspect he's a free-trader. Abdul, correct me if I'm wrong.
 
WI they declared it illegal? Erdogan would have to resign, but since the AKP has such a huge majority, the opposition couldn't form a government. Perhaps the "e-mail coup" comes into play as well...

There will be hell to pay in Turkey, since history will be repeating itself. Think:

  • The role of Adnan Menderes would be played by Erdoğan
  • There would probably be a military coup
  • The period following will just be as unstable as during the 1960s and 1970s, because of the huge popularity of the AKP
  • Turkey would definitely not be an EU member for many years to come, due to this incident and the aftermath

Not a pretty picture.

What Abdul said already could also happen, since there is a section of Turkish society that, without the AKP, would've been under-represented.


Hash, wouldn't the AKP would be the Republicans, since they're allegedly the social conservatives? I don't know Erdogan's economic platform, though by the EU talks I suspect he's a free-trader. Abdul, correct me if I'm wrong.

The AKP is pretty much, from what I've read, like the Rockefeller Republicans (which apparently are now Democrats in the 21st century) and the Red Tories in Canada; whilst the CHP and MHP, among others, are pretty much like the far-right in America transplanted to a social-democratic arena (in a manner similar to neocons).
 
Abdul: If the new PM decided to impeach the President (or however that works in Turkey) and install a pliant figurehead, how would that work? The military's loyalties (or at least the brass) are quite clearly with the secularists.
 
Abdul: If the new PM decided to impeach the President (or however that works in Turkey) and install a pliant figurehead, how would that work? The military's loyalties (or at least the brass) are quite clearly with the secularists.

While the army was usually dominated by fascist Kemalist tendancies, I have it on good sources that Islamists have penetrated the lower ranks of the army, and even some higher ones including generals. The results of a coup attempt are not going to be pretty. I think the best indicator of this is that the army didn't attempt one. If you look at the resurging popularity of Islam and the fact that there are now Kurdish language TV stations, you can see that the situation today is much different from 1960 or 1980
 
First of all, I said that this would be a move by the Prime Minister and the National Assembly to remove the President from office. The military doesn't need to do anything other than letting the process play out. Secondly: sources on Islamist infiltration? Thirdly- fascists? :confused:
 
While the army was usually dominated by fascist Kemalist tendancies, I have it on good sources that Islamists have penetrated the lower ranks of the army, and even some higher ones including generals. The results of a coup attempt are not going to be pretty. I think the best indicator of this is that the army didn't attempt one. If you look at the resurging popularity of Islam and the fact that there are now Kurdish language TV stations, you can see that the situation today is much different from 1960 or 1980
Any danger of a military Islamic-coup if this were to happen later?

I worry about the USAF myself, lots of evangelicals (for its service) and trusted with Nuke delivery.
 
Any danger of a military Islamic-coup if this were to happen later?

I worry about the USAF myself, lots of evangelicals (for its service) and trusted with Nuke delivery.

It doesn't matter as long as the system remains stable. We've got a massive overrepresentation of neofascists and hard-right nationalists in the German military. It won't make a difference to their willingness to obey lawful orders delivered through regular channels. And the majority of Turkish 'Islamists' (we really need a better vocabulary for that political spectrum) aren't interested in supporting militants. An AKP-supporting general isn't likely to want to make himself or his imam head of state. He may try to stop a coup attempt if he has enough support, or simply resign his commission in protest. To have a coup, you need general agreement among the military command, not a few lone rangers upholding the flag.
 
Any danger of a military Islamic-coup if this were to happen later?

I worry about the USAF myself, lots of evangelicals (for its service) and trusted with Nuke delivery.

If what were to happen later? Things like islamists in the military and Kurdish TV were only made possible with the decline that hardline Kemalists have suffered. If they are to somehow remain the major force, then yes there is a good chance. That being said, how that is specifically going to happen is a very complex question!
 
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