AHQ: Is the Mongol conquest of Eurasia ASB?

Are Mongols ASB?

  • Yes, it is ASB

    Votes: 15 13.4%
  • No, but extremely unlikely

    Votes: 64 57.1%
  • No, it was plausible

    Votes: 33 29.5%

  • Total voters
    112
If we had no historical examples of similar empires to similar scales at similar speeds then yes the reaction by the forum will be that it is basically ASB. This depends how detailed the timeline is of course, a well written timeline can justify many things that by summary would be called ASB. But assuming you just posted AHC: Tiny tribe conquers half the Old World in 80 years. then you'd get a lot of not possible.

Indeed, how often do people use the term ASB in any timeline (outside of those on the ASB forum of course?), very rarely, a rareness that is correlated with the how in depth the timeline goes.

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If we had no historical examples of similar empires to similar scales at similar speeds then yes the reaction by the forum will be that it is basically ASB. This depends how detailed the timeline is of course, a well written timeline can justify many things that by summary would be called ASB. But assuming you just posted AHC: Tiny tribe conquers half the Old World in 80 years. then you'd get a lot of not possible.

Indeed, how often do people use the term ASB in any timeline (outside of those on the ASB forum of course?), very rarely, a rareness that is correlated with the how in depth the timeline goes.

I mentioned Oda Nobunaga before for a reason, the expansion of Oda Nobunaga from 1560 to 1582 was nothing more than the Mongol Conquests in a microcosm, Nobunaga rose to a power in a period were baring the Imagawa there was either no one close who could threaten him, or they were too busy with internal strife or conflicts elsewhere. Temujin/Genghis Khan and his immediate successors never faced opponents that could have truly stopped them, while they snowballed and continued to get stronger. Yes, organization and recognizing talent did help, but not having foes be in a position to stomp them out or decisively hold them off helped much more.
 
I mentioned Oda Nobunaga before for a reason, the expansion of Oda Nobunaga from 1560 to 1582 was nothing more than the Mongol Conquests in a microcosm, Nobunaga rose to a power in a period were baring the Imagawa there was either no one close who could threaten him, or they were too busy with internal strife or conflicts elsewhere. Temujin/Genghis Khan and his immediate successors never faced opponents that could have truly stopped them, while they snowballed and continued to get stronger. Yes, organization and recognizing talent did help, but not having foes be in a position to stomp them out or decisively hold them off helped much more.

Sure but people will talk about scale in this imaginary other world when you bring this up. They'll also argue whether or not there were opponents who could have stopped them, and if there weren't any opponents why didn't Genghis do it in that timeline?
 
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