AHChallenge: USA-like New Spain

The challenge is to make Viceroyalty of New Spain into a USA-like democracy which fought their colonial masters and became a superpower.

How can this be done? What kind of relationship it would have with the rest of the world?
Would it lasted as long as OTL US? And what will its capital city be?

Thanks in advance!
 
In practice, this will be a Mexico-wank. If they fight for independence, they won't be called New Spain. Though you can conceivably come up with alternate names, capitals, etc., you're basically looking at a more successful Mexico, with its capital at Mexico City.

I'm not up on Mexican history like I should be, but I do know that it has always been relatively unstable, in part because of a continuous conflict between the old Spanish-Mexican elites and more democratic-republican forces. Before they could sort it all out, the US came along and took their entire northern frontier.

So, consolidate Mexico as either a stable Republic or a stable Empire, and butterfly away the conflict with the United States. Balkanized United States (in which case Virginia takes up the role of the OTL United States, at least as far as Mexico is concerned), a Henry Clay victory in 1844 and/or generally less expansionistic events, a US that is for whatever reason stopped at the Mississippi--the Louisiana purchase is blocked by aggressive British action, for instance, all prevent the juggernaut from taking Mexico. Mexico can also win the OTL Mexican-American war if they manage to come up with some of the things that IOTL let the United States win despite fighting with inferior numbers on enemy turf: a superb officer corps, and superior communications and logistical infrastructure.

From there, we have a nation that stretches from the Yucatan to California. Perhaps it keeps some or all of Central America, as outright territory or satellites as well--I don't know. If it can keep the loyalty of the anglo settlers who will be heading westward, it has even more going for it. It can build the TTL equivalent of the Panama Canal on its own soil. When the great European conflicts of the 20th century emerge, it can stay isolated or join them and, as the United States did, take the torch of Western Civilization from the old world into the new.
 
You've read Thande's Look To The West?

Actually from your "challenge" issued as though you do not know it's been done well at least once so far, I guess not.

Oh boy do you ever have good times ahead for you then! Go read it!

We'll wait patiently several months while you do, it has two parts though if you're searching for it

Sadly, the USPA appears to be destined for a sad fate.

Or then again, maybe it's the other side of the ideological divide between "Societist" and "Diversitarians" that has the sad fate. Or both.:(

The Anglosphere appears to be pretty much solidly Diversitarian, at least if the latter can accommodate the occasional "Adamantine Republic" or three in its diverse fold. Maybe the Adamantines are some third way though in which case parts of Australia are off in a world of their own.

Personally I'm thinking more and more the Societists are not nearly as awful as these rather clearly certifiably insane Diversitarians make them out to be.

In which case the USPA is doing pretty well actually!

Anyway your specification is met by this South American federal republic, founded as a federation of lower and middle class Hispanized Americans plus some more autonomous Native American peoples, forming a democratic federation that among other things gives a refuge to such progressives as Dr. Joseph Priestly, who winds up making a fortune selling carbonated drinks. Including perhaps quinine-bearing ones, so tonic water.

Seriously the place looked great to me asThande showed it working in the early 19th century, and it was sad thinking it gets swallowed up in some Orwellian regime, except their global rivals seem at least that bad sometimes and actually the notion that people should get over nationalism and embrace a global society doesn't seem wrong-headed to me, and a logical development of a Thomas Paine sort of mentality.
 
New Spain became Mexico. In Look to the West, the UPSA is a successor state to the Viceroyalities of Peru and the Rio de la Plata.
 
A way to do this is could be to rebel themselves at the same time or almost at the same time than the US, but allying themselves with the Brits instead ... they keep themselves under UK orbit for awhile ( introducing help to develop new ideas and reforms, necessary for them IMHO ) but after the US-French split, or maybe after US - Brit war of 1812 ( they do not help them ) they cool they relationship and get better relations with the US ( but they keep the trade with the UK, too useful for both ) ...

What I see more difficult is butterflying some sort of war with the US, I can see their neighbors not taking them too seriously because they were quite the racist ATM ... dunno, maybe they fear a 2 front war?

The best with the UK good relations is that butterflies euro meddling like Nappy´s the Third, for example ...

Only keeping California would make ATL Mexico a real less weak IMHO ... for not talking about the rest the US took them.
 
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