AHC: WW2 between the Soviet Union and a Fascist Europe

That's not what appeasement was and it certainly was not driven by the French.
Let me know if you find information with about a treaty with for the western border but allowed them a free hand in Poland.
I didn't say that the only thing dealing with appeasement and, as mentioned, the British and Americans did a lot of pushing. Just thought going into it would get a bit off topic. I am also unlikely to find the exact sources on the matter, partially as it would all be in French and German (and a lot verbal) and partially as the thing itself was vague. It did NOT specify Poland. It simply was about the regonictoin of the Germans that their borders in the west were accepted, leaving the implication that there interference in the East.
 
Would the Fascists accept a Slavic Nationalist totalitarian state under Stalin? So long as they see that the Old Bolsheviks keep disappearing they will see him as just one of the guys. So long as some changes are made and he doesn't support exporting communism. hell, one of the issues for various Fascists was they wanted Socialist policies for their own countries, but partially at the expense of others. Even if not at their expense, they didn't want to export it. Hell, Hitler didn't even want to export Nazism or Fascism to France, as he though it would do them good.
They'd be worried about expansionism. Slavic nationalism tends to include Pan-Slavism.
 
They'd be worried about expansionism. Slavic nationalism tends to include Pan-Slavism.
Perhaps, though it might be that only some worry about it. If they can keep the Serbs/Yugoslavs as one state then their is less of an inroads for them, and the Slavic Nationalist angle could be reworked to just Russia and the bordering areas. Mussolini though of Stalin as introducing a Slavic Fascism, and if the Russians were intent upon having more Slavs, then they could probably be sent them, and have them settle Turkic areas.
 
If the UK is not fascist it will support the USSR from the sidelines and pressure the US to do the same.
The UK Conservatives, and many Liberals, were rather anti-communist. It's entirely possible that they'd welcome the destruction of the USSR, providing Britain's long term goal of a disunited Europe was maintained.
 
The UK Conservatives, and many Liberals, were rather anti-communist. It's entirely possible that they'd welcome the destruction of the USSR, providing Britain's long term goal of a disunited Europe was maintained.

But that's the thing. It wouldn't. You are looking at a German Reich that would extend from the Rhine to the Urals.
 
But that's the thing. It wouldn't. You are looking at a German Reich that would extend from the Rhine to the Urals.
That depends if the Germans seize Baltic and Polish lands in part or in their entirety. They probably would, fellow fascists be damned. Part of why I feel some continental bloc of fascists wouldn't work. Their main enemies were each other. Hell, GERMANY was probably the main enemy of most fascists and right wing groups and governments. For this to work we need to make sure the Nazis aren't in control, then get them to set up economic puppets in the East, maybe annexing Crimea for themselves.
 
Well, the challenge here says "with a POD after the proclaimation of the USSR", so Fascist Germany might not be run by the Nazis, but by more "standard" (read: Italian-style) Fascists.
 

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That depends if the Germans seize Baltic and Polish lands in part or in their entirety. They probably would, fellow fascists be damned. Part of why I feel some continental bloc of fascists wouldn't work. Their main enemies were each other. Hell, GERMANY was probably the main enemy of most fascists and right wing groups and governments. For this to work we need to make sure the Nazis aren't in control, then get them to set up economic puppets in the East, maybe annexing Crimea for themselves.
Yeah, one of the things about Fascism is that is it a strongly nationalist/militarist ideology, which given that Germany is the single strongest power outside the USSR on the continent means that she is the biggest security threat to any Fascist power that isn't Germany or bordering on the USSR. So rather than having ideological brotherhood, the ideology meant that they were either in competition or the weaker power subordinated itself or submitted to the power of the stronger, which few self-respecting Fascist nations would be willing to do. IOTL Italy really only joined with Germany because of Mussolini and his bitterness toward and contempt for the Democracies for all the things that happened between 1936-39. The other smaller nations joined with Germany due to lack of options. A Poland feeling that it had no choice but to join with Germany would effectively end up a Warsaw Pact Poland at best.

Well, the challenge here says "with a POD after the proclaimation of the USSR", so Fascist Germany might not be run by the Nazis, but by more "standard" (read: Italian-style) Fascists.
The ironic thing is that the 'regular' Fascists in Germany were bent on the destruction of Poland and alliance with the USSR!
 
Glantz published a book on history of Soviet military strategy and it revealed that most USSR war-games of the late 1930s always started with a German lead -pan European invasion of western Russia , just like their WARPACK scenarios started with a German lead NATO invasion seizing Berlin - Warsaw & Minsk.

Deist et-al report that German military lead in 1928 Pre Nazi Wehrmacht planned a three phased 15 year expansion of the army to 68 mobilised divisions in order to defeat a combined Franco-Polish attack. This expansion required an economic empire to support a total war economy and Reich Bank president , Schacht lead an initiative to build such a structure through out eastern Europe , the Baltics and the Balkans. Through the great depression most of these countries -seeing Germany recovery- entered into negotiation's with the Reich bank to establish bilateral trade arrangements with Germany based on credit and barter. This recovery allowed the army plans to increase to 'pre 1914 levels' [70-80 divisions plus 44 brigades] , while the Nazi took over power. But even back then Bloomberg was telling Hitler mass production was the only way to reach these goals by 1940.

German rearmament expanded accordingly until 1936 Hitler replaced it with his "four year plan"-to make Germany ready for war by the end of that decade. Hitler baulked at the original plan since it required the mid 1940s target to also build up a total war economy and many European countries were having doubts . Instead Hitler shelved the total war plans and doubled the rate of expansion pushing a mobilised army of over 100 divisions plus 40 reserve divisions...by the end of that decade. This was twice the number envisaged by Groner/Beck/Von Bloomberg & Schacht in 1928. Hitler knew better, he would fast track the empire building through bulling and short term agreements & alliances with these countries, based on this lightning war.

It appears that most European countries saw Stalin as a bigger threat than Hitler [Britain & France are just two countries in Europe]. It seems like a small leap to build a pan European anti Stalinist pack to protect Europe from the biggest threat.

Get rid of Hitler if you must- he is expendable.
 
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