AHC: worst possible nation

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Some country whoese population is uber-brainwashed to the extent of considering their leader the incarnation of god itself, causing such a mass genocide wiping out a couple ethnicities. The prevention of any invasion is that the entire country is filled with nuclear weapons to exterminate 100% of the population in case of a attack, but it makes no difference since everyone will have to be killed as there is no way to bypass the brainwashing
*cough* longer-lasting Japanese Empire *cough*
 
And Iraq before Sadaam could have very easily collapsed into sectarian warfare. Ethnic cleansing, genocide and holy war would be standard fare, the Shiites aided by the Iranians, the Sunnis by the Gulf states, Arab nationalists by Syria, the various ethnoreligious would disappear quickly, and the Kurds would be by themselves.

So, what has been going on since when the Americans invaded? :rolleyes:
 
A Zarqawi ruled Iraq would be the closest thing to a complete nightmare of a nation that I could imagine. Combine Himmler like genocidal insanity with complete religious insanity. Zarqawi imagined something akin to merging Theocracy with National Socialism.

There is a reason why even the Taliban and other al-Qaeda leaders were often horrified of him when he was in Afghanistan.
 
A Zarqawi ruled Iraq would be the closest thing to a complete nightmare of a nation that I could imagine. Combine Himmler like genocidal insanity with complete religious insanity. Zarqawi imagined something akin to merging Theocracy with National Socialism.

There is a reason why even the Taliban and other al-Qaeda leaders were often horrified of him when he was in Afghanistan.

I am not sure I get the connection between Zarqawi and National Socialism. Not to say his hypotetical regime would be pleasant, mind you.
 
I am not sure I get the connection between Zarqawi and National Socialism. Not to say his hypotetical regime would be pleasant, mind you.

His ideology went beyond forced conversion which say the Taliban or other al-Qaeda leaders believed in, he openly advocated and practiced genocide against those born of different faiths and ethnic backgrounds. You could not convert from Christianity to Islam in his view. If you were born a cross worshiper, Shia, or of a different ethnicity then Sunni Arab like say Persian you had to be killed.

Only those born of the Sunni Arab ethnicity and faith could convert to his true religion and could be 'saved' and if you didn't you were killed.
 

Not to play devil's advocate, but as hellish as that sounds, I don't think a country as small as Nauru could implode like that without drawing international attention. Since it's so small and lacks any kind of a military/security force, it'd be relatively simple to set up a humanitarian aid mission (or something). For a country to really go to shit, it needs to be large enough that intervening, either militarily or diplomatically, carries serious consequences.
 
His ideology went beyond forced conversion which say the Taliban or other al-Qaeda leaders believed in, he openly advocated and practiced genocide against those born of different faiths and ethnic backgrounds. You could not convert from Christianity to Islam in his view. If you were born a cross worshiper, Shia, or of a different ethnicity then Sunni Arab like say Persian you had to be killed.

Only those born of the Sunni Arab ethnicity and faith could convert to his true religion and could be 'saved' and if you didn't you were killed.

That's pretty extreme and, by the way, emphatically un-Islamic.
 
A Zarqawi ruled Iraq would be the closest thing to a complete nightmare of a nation that I could imagine. Combine Himmler like genocidal insanity with complete religious insanity. Zarqawi imagined something akin to merging Theocracy with National Socialism.

There is a reason why even the Taliban and other al-Qaeda leaders were often horrified of him when he was in Afghanistan.

Do you think he could go on a Hitler like rampage, after cleansing the Kurds Ns Shias, trying to unite all Arabs into his 'Arab paradise' complete with lebensraum in non Arab countries like Persia and Turkey? That could be a timeline for sure.
 
A communist USA (United Socialist States of America?) that's paranoid, belligerent, fanatical, and oh yeah, a nuclear power. Complete with para-military police, denunciations, witch hunts, and hundreds of well-armed separatist factions that hole up in remote locations to resist government control. The Southwest deserts become the USSA's "Siberia", where dissidents and undesirables are sent to be worked to death under a hot sun.

The USSA's first act of international aggression is to invade Canada to "free our brothers from imperialism", sparking a multinational conflict.
 
Ok, here is an elaboration on my made up North Korea analogue in my Soviet Wank timeline. The Everyman's Spartan Republic of Thrace is a terrifying nation to say the least.

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The story is, in the light of a larger, more outward looking Soviet Union with no purges, communist parties in Europe were significantly stronger than OTL, leading to stronger reactionary movements. With a Finnish SSR bordering it, the Swedish turned fascist in the late 30s, joining the Axis during WW2. TTL's equivalent of Molotov Ribbentrop involved the Soviets annexing East Poland, Bessarabia and the Kars region from Turkey, as well as small portions of Turkish Kurdistan. This caused Sweden and Turkey to become Axis members, leading to many minor butterflies. Without having to occupy Norway, the Nazis had more power initially in Western Europe, but when they invaded a more powerful Russia, they had to invade their ally Sweden due to it's incompetence. Greece was decimated, facing joint German-Italian occupation, as well as a new Turkish group taking previous core regions like Thrace. The Turks were particularly harsh on the Greeks, leading to major antagonism.
As the Axis War Machine started losing and falling apart, dissidence began in Greece. As the Soviets reached Bucharest and approached Bulgaria, while the British invaded the South of Greece to liberate, the Greek Communist party lead an uprising against the oppression. During the occupation, many leaders were killed, but a ruthless, somewhat disturbed officer by the name of Alexandro Lykos ascended the ranks with his charisma, brutality and yet a strange charm to him. Rumoured to have been a womaniser like Rasputin, his popularity did not take away his fierce anti-Fascist streak. The government had failed him, and now the Axis were threatening to wipe his people out, so he made a last resort he believed and began the liberation of Greece in 2nd of October 1944, developing as a major figurehead, eventually becoming sole leader of the Greek communist party3 months later. The rebellion kicked the over-extended Axis out, with only limited Soviet aid from across the border. Lykos got the nickname Kratos, given both his fanatical behaviour in the field, and his megalomaniacal aims to reunite Greece. Turkey got kicked out of the war, forced to cede Greater Armenia and Kurdistan to the Soviets, and pre 1913 Thrace to Greece.
Although officially a united country after the liberation, it was immensely politically divided, and almost immediately broke out in a Civil War, with the Allies who were still finishing off Germany backing the government in Athens, while the Soviets backed Lykos's forces. Fighting went on for a long time, with the country ravaged further still from the war. Eventually, a cease fire was signed on the 27th of February 1948, leading the country to be divided across a North-South border. In the South, the Kingdom of Greece was re-established, with many years of instability and multiple coups and military dictatorships taking place (by 2014 it is a republic, but by future 2040 it is a kingdom again). Kratos's fascination with Ancient Sparta helped him forge his regime, wanting to work upon the flaws of his northern neighbours, while still vaguely allied to them. He transformed his nation into a totalitarian state, with a vicious secret police designed to root out enemies of the state. He became paranoid, and started purging many of the generals who had worked with him, including his friends who he considered 'weak.' He even went as far as sending their extended families to camps as it was thought that only the strongest in society should prevail due to the need to militarise against enemies. The Nazi oppression had definitely took its toll. He issued decrees throughout the 50s and 60s informing that sick infants and people over the age of 75 should not be given any form of healthcare whatsoever, even going as far as abandoning them to die. The nation made sure it was self-sufficient, and not relying on dangerous foreigners for imports, leading to mass starvations and famines across the nation, with the weak and disabled being killed deliberately. Anyone who did not do this would be sent to one of the Labour Camps to die of exhaustion. After oppression by the Turks, the regime became very xenophobic and anti-Western, launching ethnic cleansings and mass deportations against its native Turks, Albanians, Bulgarians and foreigners. Culture of any western or non-Thracian value was brutally suppressed, with films, media, art and literature being banned in absolution.The military was set into a state of eternal mobilisation, where even in school, they were given training to fight unarmed and with guns, and eventually all healthy males over the age of 14 were conscripted into the Army. Kratos named his ideology ‘Spartanism’, wanting to relate to the power the Spartans had over their neighbours as a symbol to how the people of Thrace should be do the rest of the world. He wrote a manifesto about his beliefs, distributing them all around the country lwith similar regard to the Bible. Any home found without a copy of this book could be sentenced to years in the prison camps, and defacing any copies would mean death.
The military became by far the ruling aspect of Thracian society, still aiming for the reunification of the peninsula and the wishes against its enemies. Kratos even became his only name, as people gradually forgot about his original title in his propaganda, before his death in 1973 lead to all figures with the name 'alexandro lykos' being destroyed and replaced with the ‘Great Generalissimo, Chief Philosopher, Almighty Warrior, Universal Father and Master in Perpetuality Kratos the Great.’ His sons took up the role of leadership after him, in a chain of succession much like a royal family. In 2014, his grandson Constantine was ruler of the pariah nation, and by 2040 it is Demi-kratos, a crazed individual wishing to reclaim Greece and Constantinople under their flag. Overall, the regime is like a cross between the worst elements of OTLs DPRK and Ancient Sparta, with hints of Khmer Rouge and Nazi Germany in there as well. Easily the worst nation in Southern Europe, though the National Socialist Kingdom of Prussia in Northern Europe is just as bad, if not worse.
 
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As requested, in the same universe as my former Soviet Wank and the Spartans in Thrace, lies a much more intimidating menace, which all the world looks at with horror.

As the larger, more powerful Soviet Union steamrolled through the 3rd Riech, the Nazis took ever more desperate measures to stop them from taking the whole of Germany, as many believed they were doomed. When the war finally ended, Germany was partitioned between a Communist North, a Capitalist South and a Communist Austria. East Prussia however, was incorporated directly into the USSR. Unlike OTL, without Stalin in charge, there were no mass deportations and so the area remained primarily German, merely indoctrinating the population to an even greater extent than in the PRD sattelite. This caused immense tension in the area between the Germans and the Russian rulers, though the Soviets kept this a secret via brutal suppressions and the like. After the Chinese War however, Soviet Authority in the area began to decline as the country went into economic meltdown. The Prussians, finding themselves tired of over 80 years of oppression, turned violent and saw the rise of Neo-Nazi groups spreading all over. One of these Nazis was Rudolf Hohenzollern, a distant relative of the Old German Kaiser. He was exceptionally charasmatic and served as an excellent figure head for the rebels. When the Soviet Union finally fell to pieces violently in 2031, he took his chance and kicked out the Russians, brutally murdering every man woman and child of non-german ancestry. He reformed the country from its ocmmunist routes, turning it into a parallel of Nazi Germany. He crowned himself Fuhrer-King of Prussia, wishing to combine the greatest elements of Nazi Germany and Imperial Germany, adapting them to new technologies and situations, aiming for the ultimate creation of a Fourth Reich, once he conquers and reunified the homeland of Germany. The regime is ferociously racist-Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, Homosexuals, disabled, Lithuanians and communists are murdered on sight by any soldiers patrolling their streets. They set up spy networks in schools to get children to snitch on their parents for doing any 'Anti-German' activities. This can include criticising the government, defacing the Emperor's bust on the walls, marrying anyone of non-German descent, and many other things we would consider conventional in OTL. A new addition on top of what the Nazis of old had is the development of an extremely effective camera system, used to monitor every home and make sure that noone is able to make anti-government comments in any speech or written form. High quality computer technology even allows them to monitor the facial expressions and brain patterns in the citizens, which allows them to see if they react negatively to propaganda. The Internet is banned in this country and TV, Radio, phone networks, holographic outdoor 'posters' and many other things blare with praise of the regime and it's leader for leading them out of the Russian darkness. They call for a militarised nation which will conquer the 'subhuman hordes' on their borders, restablish Germany as the world Power, and make a Fourth Reich dominate Europe and the world. Understandably, many nations refuse to recognise this nightmare of a nation, with the only ironic exception being the Spartans in Thrace, due to both being hated by the rest of the world. In fact, a video game has recently been released (I'll explain technology in here. Basically, the prolonged Cold War led to a delay in many commerical technologies at the expense of advanced military hardware, though it still came along. Video game technology ITTL's 2040 is only a few years ahead of what it is now IOTL-your average game console has a harddrive of 5-10 terabytes, 30 gb Ram, 5 TF GPU, 6 GHz etc) in Italy called 'Guerra diTerra' mocking these nations. Set in 2050 following the events of a recession and a joint invasion by the 'Greater Byzantine Republic' and the 'Fourth Reich'. Prussia is a hellish nation indeed to live in, but its small size and fairly strong neighbours mean it shouldn't be expanding any time soon.
 
His ideology went beyond forced conversion which say the Taliban or other al-Qaeda leaders believed in, he openly advocated and practiced genocide against those born of different faiths and ethnic backgrounds. You could not convert from Christianity to Islam in his view. If you were born a cross worshiper, Shia, or of a different ethnicity then Sunni Arab like say Persian you had to be killed.

Only those born of the Sunni Arab ethnicity and faith could convert to his true religion and could be 'saved' and if you didn't you were killed.

Was this genocide, in his wicked ideology, to be applied only within Iraq/the Arab world, or worldwide?
 
I'm imagining a world where America and Britain Nuke Germany to end WW2, and here's one outcome:

The Third Reich's gains become divided between warlords, with the Reichskommissariat General Government under Oskar Dirlewanger. :eek:
 
Hello. I was wondering about reviving discussion on this topic given that it took place a while ago, and wished to look into what people think the worst plausible regimes possible are. I'm aware that my knowledge of politics was quite a bit weaker back then than it is now, so I hope there is more ability to discuss the topic now than there was the last time. I was wondering additional options for oppressive or 'bad' regimes without them merely being say, a side in a civil war e.g. ISIS. Crazy options are possible, but they need to be realistic (so no united Indochina under Pol Pot, thank you very much Darkest Hour). But I would like to see your viewpoints on the matter.
 

shiftygiant

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ISIS but with actual infrastructure is probobly the worst thing you could have. Lacking that, France from FaT, or any nation that has an idea of solving a lack of food produce and materials with a 'recycling' scheme would be fairly high up on a list of how bad it could get.
 
ISIS but with actual infrastructure is probobly the worst thing you could have. Lacking that, France from FaT, or any nation that has an idea of solving a lack of food produce and materials with a 'recycling' scheme would be fairly high up on a list of how bad it could get.
What's FaT if I ask? Sounds interesting I think. One awful nation I'm designing in my Red Sun Rising timeline is a Khmer Rouge style regime known as Bepul Xiva, ruling Khiva for a short time following the collapse of Ryssia after TTL's WW2 equivalent. I'm trying to make it different from Cambodia as well in whatever ways I can, while still a horrible place to live. Any suggestions?
 

shiftygiant

Gone Fishin'
What's FaT if I ask? Sounds interesting I think. One awful nation I'm designing in my Red Sun Rising timeline is a Khmer Rouge style regime known as Bepul Xiva, ruling Khiva for a short time following the collapse of Ryssia after TTL's WW2 equivalent. I'm trying to make it different from Cambodia as well in whatever ways I can, while still a horrible place to live. Any suggestions?
For All Time, which is fantastic until it goes off the rails.
 
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