ThePest179
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Man, I would read the hell out of that TL.
There is A World of Laughter, A World of Tears. I think that's the closest you'll get.
Man, I would read the hell out of that TL.
There is A World of Laughter, A World of Tears. I think that's the closest you'll get.
Is there any way to have Jim Crow end in a far messier manner than OTL?
I have to agree with some of these. An escalation of violence would worsen the end of Jim Crow. Honestly with the way US was at the time. I feel the end of Jim Crow would come about in the eighties or early nineties if enough violence caused or by civil rights groups or if people were simply led to believe civil rights groups caused violence.
While I wouldn' t say America is overly racist at the time, a number of people will accept the status as something that works for them.
In January 1964, a bomb goes off during a meeting between President Lyndon Johnson and civil rights leaders, planted by a member of the Ku Klux Klan.
Speak of the House, John William McCormack, is quickly sworn into office becoming the second Catholic President, which like JFK gained some critics although these complaints about his religion sometimes showed in his leadership qualities, were supported by previous events.
And during the 1964, Democratic Primaries, he is quickly denied the chance to run for a full term, with Governor George Wallace of Alabama winning the ballot.
The Republicans choose former Vice President, Richard Nixon as their nominee thinking that they could swing this election .... however they could not have been more wrong.
Governor George Wallace was able to carry all 50 states, along with DC, while gaining a popular vote of 64,127,041 to Nixon's messily 6,175,754, the highest won by a candidate since James Monroe's re-election in 1820. It was the sixth-most lopsided presidential election in the history of the United States in terms of states carried, electoral votes; while in terms of popular vote, it is first.
Sworn in as the 38th President, Wallace would be nicknamed Gandalf, the White "house" wizard, referring to the book by English author J. R. R. Tolkien, and for his attitude for the Stand in the Doorway and not letting any bills pass, saying that he was voted in based on his inaugural promise of "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever"
On May 15, 1972 President Wallace becomes the 6th President to be assassinated, when an out of work Busboy and Janitor, Arthur Bremer, shots him in Maryland.
Leading to Albert Benjamin "Happy" Chandler, Sr. succession as 39th President on May 16th 1972.
Why the ASB suggestions?
Wallace doesn't have the appeal to enough people to win more than the South. The USSR sneaking nukes into the US is just an absurd idea.
Nope sadly this is my state of mind when sober and clear.With all due respect: are you high?
Thank you DValdron, its not the best but I made a start.I quite liked it.
I can not see any other Presidential candidate willing to make Jim Crow go out with a bang.Make George Wallace president.
Wallace would get to the promise of restoring law and order to the nation's cities, torn by riots and crime, before Nixon could.I agree. The only way George Walllace would get that big a landslide unless he keeps his racial views under wraps and Nixon does something really heinous on the campaign trail.
Wallace would ran a good campaign gaining support from the ethnic enclave industrial districts in the North and Midwest.I'm sorry, Jonathan, but if anything, a KKK terrorist attack killing JFK would, if anything, have lead to a massive outcry *against* the racial reactionaries, and not for them. Hell, a black American being elected President in 1976 is rather more likely than George Wallace winning at all in '68, let alone all 50 states.
You mean worse then 40 years of falling incomes, skyrocketing crime, and a 70%+ illegitimacy rate?
OTL Civil Rights a total failure, it accomplished zero of the objectives. People who say otherwise are retconning after the fact. The goal wasn't particular laws, but for blacks to achieve better overall life outcomes. The laws were just seen as the way to accomplish that. At most it allowed a few well off blacks to move into white neighborhoods and get white corporate jobs. For most black people, especially outside the south, lives aren't much better if at all.
It's still better than what existed before. I'd say certainly dispute that black lives were better under Jim Crow.
I also have to question several of these assertions as misleading.
40 years of falling incomes? That puts us back in 1975, and the reality that incomes have been falling for everyone but the super-rich during that time.
Illegitimacy rates? Who cares. Honestly, that's over.
As for skyrocketing crime... hasn't that been on the decline for decades? Except, of course for the War on Drugs, which is really a war on black people.
I guess the real test would be to ask black people if they're better or worse off than they were under the Jim Crow era. I don't think many would ask to go back.
In the wake of Voter ID laws, rollback of early voting, the almost weekly death of a young black male by cop, not a few think we're returning to a Jim Crow-like world, hence the #blacklivesmatter movement
In the wake of Voter ID laws, rollback of early voting, the almost weekly death of a young black male by cop, not a few think we're returning to a Jim Crow-like world, hence the #blacklivesmatter movement
You mean worse then 40 years of falling incomes, skyrocketing crime, and a 70%+ illegitimacy rate?
OTL Civil Rights a total failure, it accomplished zero of the objectives. People who say otherwise are retconning after the fact. The goal wasn't particular laws, but for blacks to achieve better overall life outcomes. The laws were just seen as the way to accomplish that. At most it allowed a few well off blacks to move into white neighborhoods and get white corporate jobs. For most black people, especially outside the south, lives aren't much better if at all.
You mean worse then 40 years of falling incomes, skyrocketing crime, and a 70%+ illegitimacy rate?
OTL Civil Rights a total failure, it accomplished zero of the objectives. People who say otherwise are retconning after the fact. The goal wasn't particular laws, but for blacks to achieve better overall life outcomes. The laws were just seen as the way to accomplish that. At most it allowed a few well off blacks to move into white neighborhoods and get white corporate jobs. For most black people, especially outside the south, lives aren't much better if at all.
in general, incomes have been stagnant for the majority of Americans since around 1980
I'm somewhat annoyed by the effort to attach a stigma to illegitimacy or to characterize it as a social ill.
There are people close to me who were born out of wedlock. They're good people. I do not believe that in this modern era, that legitimacy or illegitimacy is meaningful, or that it is a social ill, or symptom of some personal or cultural or ethnic moral decay.
I think the reason why having black illegitimacy is such a big issue is that the fathers don't stick around to support their children, leaving the mother and child to fend for themselves.
I might become unkind.
Why? It's the truth. If you go around impregnating women and leaving them with no means of supporting their child, people are gonna look at you negatively.
And I'm not saying it's in the nature of blacks to be deadbeat dads. There are plenty of African-Americans who are responsible fathers, just like there are plenty of whites who are deadbeat dads. It's just that the irresponsible ones get the most attention.
Okay, here I am being unkind.
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there's no goddammed relationship between illegitimacy and single parent housholds, and there's no goddammed relationship between illegitimacy and deadbeat dads. It's a giant red herring.