AHC: World War I truly is the 'war to end all wars'.

Create a scenario in which World War I is the last major war between nations for the next 100 years. No World War II, no Vietnam War, none of the defining nation-to-nation wars of the last century can take place. The only wars that are allowed are internal conflicts (civil wars, insurgencies, etc), but they cannot snowball into a war between two or more nations.

For those who thinks that makes no sense, despite the civil wars and global turmoil, the world we currently live in is regarded as the most peaceful time in world history, since no major nation-nation war has taken place over the last 50 or so years.
 
Create a scenario in which World War I is the last major war between nations for the next 100 years. No World War II, no Vietnam War, none of the defining nation-to-nation wars of the last century can take place. The only wars that are allowed are internal conflicts (civil wars, insurgencies, etc), but they cannot snowball into a war between two or more nations.

For those who thinks that makes no sense, despite the civil wars and global turmoil, the world we currently live in is regarded as the most peaceful time in world history, since no major nation-nation war has taken place over the last 50 or so years.

Question; are interventions in those civil wars allowed? If so, than challenge accepted. If not, than ASB.
 
The requirements of such a world would require a lot of background and story building but I'll try to start it up with a few basic necessities. (Its also late where I reside, so I'm going to try and flush this out with another reply tomorrow)
First, the Treaty of Versailles and the Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye would have to be much more forgiving in order to lower the chances of radicalism from taking control in post-WW1 Germany.
Second, the Soviet Union/other Russian Successor State would need to be put in a position where it cannot apply massive amounts of pressure to attempt to retake previous cores/claims of the Russian Empire as to prevent the sudden wars/chaos directly after Worl War 1.
Third, China would need to be put under one government relying on some relevant form of Globalism in order to make sure that the World Market both needs and wants China as a form of pressuring foreign powers to protect interests in China from domestic/foreign intervention.
Fourth, the Great Depression needs to not be the Great Depression due to the rise of Radicalism.
Fifth, the vast amounts of Globalism that was created in the 1800s and the 1900s needs to slow down in order to become accommodated in the traditional values of certain areas.
Effectively its bordering on ASB
 

The Avenger

Banned
since no major nation-nation war has taken place over the last 50 or so years.
Ethiopia vs. Somalia.
Iran vs. Iraq.
Israel vs. Egypt and Syria.
Uganda vs. Tanzania.
Libya vs. Chad.
India vs. Pakistan.
The U.S. vs. Afghanistan.
The U.S. vs. Iraq.
NATO vs. Libya.
NATO vs. Serbia.

Now, you were saying?
 

NoMommsen

Donor
since no major nation-nation war has taken place over the last 50 or so years.
Ethiopia vs. Somalia.
Iran vs. Iraq.
Israel vs. Egypt and Syria.
Uganda vs. Tanzania.
Libya vs. Chad.
India vs. Pakistan.
The U.S. vs. Afghanistan.
The U.S. vs. Iraq.
NATO vs. Libya.
NATO vs. Serbia.

Now, you were saying?
I'm quite sure he means nation-nation wars in the meaning of "all-out-of-the-involved-nations" wars, including mobilizing all of a nations resources, of which none of the wars you mentioned were.
 
CP victory. Germany as top dog reforms and stop the naval arms race, because they are busy on the continent. Eventually other country want to be part of the Big trade block. No-one to Challenge Germany. Germany supports the whites in Russia (intervention), and they win.
 
It's impossible. The amount of dissent accumulated in the colonies would have been impossible to stop. In the beginning of the twentieth century the imperialism had put the mayority of the world population in an intolerable situation that couldn't have been solved without at least some violent conflict.
 
I'm quite sure he means nation-nation wars in the meaning of "all-out-of-the-involved-nations" wars, including mobilizing all of a nations resources, of which none of the wars you mentioned were.
Iran-Iraq was a more total war than anything fought between the peace of Westphalia and the Napoleonic wars (small regions of Spain during the Spanish Succession War exempted). So that was pretty much as all-out as it gets.
 
In order for "the Great War" to remain the last massive global military conflict, WWI would have to end in such a way that a) no major power is taken over by an aggressive expansionist who wants to avenge his country's defeat in the Great War. Or b) WWI isn't so devastating that Britain and France retreat into isolationism and appeasement. Had the Allies stood up to Hitler in 1938, there was a chance that his opponents would've overthrown him and Germany wouldn't have invaded either Czechoslovakia or Poland. Any one of these options, a or b, could feasibly prevent WW2 from occurring.
 
It's impossible. The amount of dissent accumulated in the colonies would have been impossible to stop. In the beginning of the twentieth century the imperialism had put the mayority of the world population in an intolerable situation that couldn't have been solved without at least some violent conflict.

It was certainly an intolerable system that was starting to be challenged by violent reaction but without the Second World War fatally undermining the colonial powers and the rise of the USSR and USA (both anti-colonial in outlook), colonialism could have been sustained for far longer and with fewer concessions to the natives.

There would also have been no psychological equivalent as the fall of Singapore to the Japanese. At the risk of sounding parochial, I believe that that event was instrumental in destroying the façade of western invincibility; thereby encouraging separatist sentiment and action.
 
CP victory. Germany as top dog reforms and stop the naval arms race, because they are busy on the continent. Eventually other country want to be part of the Big trade block. No-one to Challenge Germany. Germany supports the whites in Russia (intervention), and they win.
This is probably the easiest POD. If Germany wins, and wins big, they become and economy continental super-power that is effectively boxed in by the US and British navies. You get an earlier cold war.

To keep the premise of the OP, you simply have to avoid Germany (or the Anglo-Americans) from employing nuclear weapons pre-emptively...which may be tough without Hiroshama and Nagasaki but not impossible.
 

Philip

Donor
This is probably the easiest POD. If Germany wins, and wins big, they become and economy continental super-power that is effectively boxed in by the US and British navies. You get an earlier cold war.

How is the Pacific handled in this situation? I think it is hard to avoid at least some kind of large scale international conflict in this theater.

China, Japan, and White Russia are not likely to resolve their differences and internal issues in a completely peaceful manner. The western colonial powers (presumably UK, USA, Germany, France? Netherlands?) will have their own interests in the region. A Great Pacific War seems likely.
 
CP victory. Germany as top dog reforms and stop the naval arms race, because they are busy on the continent. Eventually other country want to be part of the Big trade block. No-one to Challenge Germany. Germany supports the whites in Russia (intervention), and they win.

I would even offer a true stalemated war, earlier separate peace for Russia gives it a new government but no revolution, most borders remain, a few new nations, a cold peace in Europe and likely no shift in Asia towards expansionist Japan. Germany can reform, A-H can work through its issues or have a softer break up later, trade returns and reintegrates the world, The USA focuses on its economy, Britain and Germany settle on a peer-to-peer relationship, Russia moves through its reform, industrialization and return to being a European power, so no great power wars. we still get decolonialization, proxy wars and other spats, but with no revolutionary communism and a more stable balanced great power paradigm the brush fire wars might be quite benign compared to things like Korea or Vietnam or even Algeria.

Or get Wilson to actually enforce a peace without victors and vanquished, stand up to the rhetoric, become the keystone of the LoNs, stay the neutral arbiter that rebuilds the peace and prosperity of the world.
 
CP victory. Germany as top dog reforms and stop the naval arms race, because they are busy on the continent. Eventually other country want to be part of the Big trade block. No-one to Challenge Germany. Germany supports the whites in Russia (intervention), and they win.
Then, even if you somehow prevent another european war and the rise of the USSR (which I don't think that an overstreched Germany barely keeping her puppets in the East in line would be able to) the big conflict of post-WW1 becomes an alternate Sino-Japanese War, where the British would probably suport Japan and the Germans China (the USSR/White Russia being a wildcard but probably supporting the Japanese too).
 
grog beats nog .. thus unifying the human race 129,000 years ago.

Grog's decedents spread out to cover the earth.

while they expand Grogs ancestors formulate the first constitution and senate. All of humanity lives in peace as everyone gets bread and circus


okay. on a serious note:


how to make WW 1 it. next to impossible. world war 1 was a European conflict for the most part. the world is a big place.

semantics out of the way:

you would need the end of the war that ended the old world to do the following:
1. create new stable nations with borders and populations that were acceptable
2. no animosity or wish to create some super empire and subjugate thy neighbors back under jimmy the dicators auspices.
3. no new powers becoming the new jimmy the dictator and subjugating their neighbors


now that said. good luck


now that said, lets go one step forward and respond to the guy who was banned:
to the fact that in the last 50 years their have been no all out wars and he gave a list. I will have to agree.

Korea was an all out war, Vietnam .. include Cambodia Laos, that was an over 10 year adventure, Afghanistan ( soviets, civil strife then after 9.11, gulf wars taken as a whole Iran-Iraq..perisan gulf 1,2, etc. ...

have world war 1 be the ned of all wars, you need people to understand that armed conflict is not the answer. World war 1 couldn't stop world war II .. world war II thankfully has postponed world war III simply because the weapons that would be used are well.. extinction level devices and humanity really doesn't want to kill its self for some odd reason after the end of world war II where we watched everone turn crazy bat shit nuts with genocide on industrial scales, eastern Europe and the soviet union utterly decimated, Asia over run and turned into chaos with genocide and mass warfare, the advent of atomic warefare, chemical weapons and technological advancements that meant that if someone did take a stab at being the next little ego guy or gal on the block to try to take over the world that well. it would be the end of the world.


the reason you had world war 1 was because people forgot the Napoleonic wars and the death involved.. they glorified war and thought it would bring prestige since well.. it was only the pawns doing the dying.

World War II showed what that was like but with industry behind it. mass murder

World War III was showing that well.. as a speices we are ignorant and foolish.


so to sum it up. UN in 1918 .. give it teeth, everyone is forced to disarm and give over all of their weapons and are forced to submit to a world body.

story over. still hasn't happened.. and well. I fear its still a ways off
 
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