AHC/WI: "White" Indian subcontinent

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Albert.Nik

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With a POD not exceeding post the Late Antiquity/Early Medieval, what would be the best POD where Indian subcontinent(which historically in that era began from Bactria,Khotan and Sogdia and stretches till the Andamans in the South) is populated in an overwhelming majority of White people with significant proportion or majority with Lighter hair and Eyes(Green/Blue) and with Sharp Caucasoid features. Take whomever you want,Gutians,Hurrians,Urartians,Kaskians,Anatolians/Hittites,Greeks,Indo-Iranian(Indo-Iranians are close to OTL),Slavs,Tocharians(again closer to OTL),Ancient Caucasians,Romans,Circassians,Basque like Caucasian ethnicities,Larger population of Burusho or Chitral people,Caucasians joining IVC,Indo-Aryans not mixing,etc,etc. No colonial era or Nazi empire timelines allowed. Only from Early Bronze Age to Late Antiquity/Mid-Medieval PODs are allowed.
 
Basically ASB, with a tiny possibility for a horrendous genocide absolutely unprecedented by an order of magnitude for whatever era it happens. There are just far too many people in the entire subcontinent for some migration to significantly impact the entire area.

I don’t even think trying to redefine “white” would cut it: the Hindu faith that the subcontinent largely follows is sufficiently foreign to Europe that the latter would never lump them together as one group.
 

Albert.Nik

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Basically ASB, with a tiny possibility for a horrendous genocide absolutely unprecedented by an order of magnitude for whatever era it happens. There are just far too many people in the entire subcontinent for some migration to significantly impact the entire area.

I don’t even think trying to redefine “white” would cut it: the Hindu faith that the subcontinent largely follows is sufficiently foreign to Europe that the latter would never lump them together as one group.
There *are* large number of people today in OTL in the IS but there weren't always. The POD stretches back enough to when there weren't many in Indian subcontinent. Plus,the Northern fringes Khotan,Tarim,Kambhoja,Gandharva,Kashmir and Bactria might have been White majority once considering the widely spread White natives in this region.
 
There *are* large number of people today in OTL in the IS but there weren't always. The POD stretches back enough to when there weren't many in Indian subcontinent. Plus,the Northern fringes Khotan,Tarim,Kambhoja,Gandharva,Kashmir and Bactria might have been White majority once considering the widely spread White natives in this region.

Got any proof? Because those regions are borderlands and always have been. They also weren't very populous compared to the Hindi Belt, and when you throw in southern India and Bengal (especially when Bengal gets more developed by the Middle Ages), this is just impossible.
 

Albert.Nik

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Got any proof? Because those regions are borderlands and always have been. They also weren't very populous compared to the Hindi Belt, and when you throw in southern India and Bengal (especially when Bengal gets more developed by the Middle Ages), this is just impossible.
Khotan(Scythians),Sogdia(E.Iranian),Khambhoj(Nuristani),Tarim Basin(Tocharians) and Bactria(Greek,Scythian,Iranian and Tocharian) without doubt were. Kashmir was and is inhabited by many people who were White and I think the percentage might be far higher before the Hunnic invasions.
 

Albert.Nik

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Got any proof? Because those regions are borderlands and always have been. They also weren't very populous compared to the Hindi Belt, and when you throw in southern India and Bengal (especially when Bengal gets more developed by the Middle Ages), this is just impossible.
I searched Wikipedia and some reliable sources. Yes. These regions were White majority and not only that,served as a major cultural,political and a power Hub of India. Also,these were the first regions to get Civilizations in India(IVC region is not far off).
 
I searched Wikipedia and some reliable sources. Yes. These regions were White majority and not only that,served as a major cultural,political and a power Hub of India. Also,these were the first regions to get Civilizations in India(IVC region is not far off).

The IVC was full of white people? Source? And given that they lived in the same region, I'm inclined to believe you're overstating the amount of people in the region who would look white instead of people looking more like the average people of these countries today. More or less isolated mountain communities cannot be taken to have had the same sort of people as the cosmopolitan urban areas nearby.

Now, borderlands don't have to be weak or lacking culture, my point being that Punjab and those other regions are crossroads of the world and have been since the IVC and even before considering human migration. And there's a difference between Punjab and say, the Tarim basin or the highlands of Afghanistan, in terms of population and cultural influence and such. Although granted the Tarim basin was an important route to China and traveled for many millennia.
 

Albert.Nik

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@metalinvader665 IVC might not have been a White majority. But yes,it is reasonable to believe it had lots considering that the founders were migrants from Anatolia,Fertile Crescent and South Caucasus. I wouldn't be surprised if certain regions and cities of IVC and influenced/influencing regions were actually White Majority.
What I was referring to is that civilization spread into India from Northwest as the birthplace of Civilization(Anatolia,Caucasus ,Iran and Fertile Crescent) were Northwest. So at the time of many Bronze Age strong Kingdoms in Anatolia and Caucasus,India would be mostly devoid of Civilization and much people and an empire of that era in that region strong enough could create strong colonies in India spreading and increasing their population there.
 
The light eyes requirement is pretty extreme as a lot the populations you listed wouldn't fit this, it's basically impossible without a very early POD and even then I really can't see such replacement level migration involving such small populations of Northern/Eastern Europe, maybe a Uralic southwards migration? Isn't your earliest allowed POD already post-IE migration?
 

Albert.Nik

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The light eyes requirement is pretty extreme as a lot the populations you listed wouldn't fit this, it's basically impossible without a very early POD and even then I really can't see such replacement level migration involving such small populations of Northern/Eastern Europe, maybe a Uralic southwards migration? Isn't your earliest allowed POD already post-IE migration?
Not necessarily post IE migration. The earliest POD can start from early Bronze age. Hurrians,Gutians,Kaskians,People like Burusho,Urartians,Hattians,Caucasians,etc were non IE people. But it can end up to Late Antiquity and Early Mediaeval. If possible include pre Bronze age PODs as well if it makes sense.
 
Have different British approach during their colonial rule of India. Perhaps something similar to the Spanish or Portuguese schools colonization. Encouraging relationship between European settler, temporary workers and natives. Allowing for polygyny likely also nudges India towards OPs direction.
 
Basically ASB, with a tiny possibility for a horrendous genocide absolutely unprecedented by an order of magnitude for whatever era it happens. There are just far too many people in the entire subcontinent for some migration to significantly impact the entire area.

I don’t even think trying to redefine “white” would cut it: the Hindu faith that the subcontinent largely follows is sufficiently foreign to Europe that the latter would never lump them together as one group.
Agreed, this basically needs a prehistoric POD to have a glimmer of a chance.
 
With a POD not exceeding post the Late Antiquity/Early Medieval, what would be the best POD where Indian subcontinent(which historically in that era began from Bactria,Khotan and Sogdia and stretches till the Andamans in the South) is populated in an overwhelming majority of White people with significant proportion or majority with Lighter hair and Eyes(Green/Blue) and with Sharp Caucasoid features. Take whomever you want,Gutians,Hurrians,Urartians,Kaskians,Anatolians/Hittites,Greeks,Indo-Iranian(Indo-Iranians are close to OTL),Slavs,Tocharians(again closer to OTL),Ancient Caucasians,Romans,Circassians,Basque like Caucasian ethnicities,Larger population of Burusho or Chitral people,Caucasians joining IVC,Indo-Aryans not mixing,etc,etc. No colonial era or Nazi empire timelines allowed. Only from Early Bronze Age to Late Antiquity/Mid-Medieval PODs are allowed.
Does it need to have one PoD?
'Cause I think it would work better with a Prehistoric PoD for nowadays Pakistan, a post-Alexander's PoD for the Ganges' valley and a European Colonial PoD later for the South.
 
Getting the population to "look" more like OTL Mediterranean/Middle-Eastern/Iranian populations would mot be hard. But thise populations are all majority dark hair and brown eyes. Blond hair and blue eyes aren't the majority outside Northern Europe (and Northern Asia which is now part of Russia) and would be hard to intoduce that far South without substantila mixing.
 
Getting the population to "look" more like OTL Mediterranean/Middle-Eastern/Iranian populations would mot be hard. But thise populations are all majority dark hair and brown eyes. Blond hair and blue eyes aren't the majority outside Northern Europe (and Northern Asia which is now part of Russia) and would be hard to intoduce that far South without substantila mixing.
Maybe a Russian influence would be useful.
Mongols defeated at Kalka, Russian unification before 1300, expansion in Western Siberia in the XIV and XV centuries, Central Asia in XV and XVI, Afghanistan as a puppet state in the XVII... No, too ASB.
 
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