AHC/WI: Spain, Turkey, and Ireland join the axis.

How could Spain, Turkey, and Ireland join the Axis powers in the Second World War. I assume they would most likely join more towards 1940 or 1941, How does the axis benefit from all of these new countries, how/when do the countries join, and how would the countries be looked upon postwar?
 

Anaxagoras

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If Ireland had joined the Axis, the government would have immediately collapsed in the wake of a domestic political volcanic eruption AND British forces would have swiftly occupied the whole country.
 
If Ireland had joined the Axis, the government would have immediately collapsed in the wake of a domestic political volcanic eruption AND British forces would have swiftly occupied the whole country.

Britain was highly displeased alone on the fact of Ireland´s neutrality. There had been bad blood since the independence some 20 years prior. Churchill threatened, if England had any diadvantage because of Ireland´s behavior, it would cause enemyship between England and Ireland for generátionss to come.
 
You need Sealion for Ireland to join. I leave it to the Sealion threads to answer that question.

(essentially almost the whole RAF would need to be destroyed fighting over France, perhaps no evacuation from Dunkirk, instead rather an Allied Stalingrad where they fly in supplies hoping to make it the leaping off point for the retaking of France. The result is the BEF is lost, RAF is destroyed trying to keep the sealanes clear of German bombers, and Britain suddenly loses nerve when the Fallschirmjaeger land in Britain.)


Yes, you would need a perfect storm of stupidity.
 
You need Sealion for Ireland to join. I leave it to the Sealion threads to answer that question.

(essentially almost the whole RAF would need to be destroyed fighting over France, perhaps no evacuation from Dunkirk, instead rather an Allied Stalingrad where they fly in supplies hoping to make it the leaping off point for the retaking of France. The result is the BEF is lost, RAF is destroyed trying to keep the sealanes clear of German bombers, and Britain suddenly loses nerve when the Fallschirmjaeger land in Britain.)


Yes, you would need a perfect storm of stupidity.

In actual fact the Irish plan for Sealion was to join the Allies not the Axis.

There's zero chance of Ireland joining the Axis, and zero value to the Axis in doing so as Ireland would be overrun by British Forces within days.
 
Spain is both the easiest and the hardest - Franco was basically pro-Axis, but he was smart enough to realize his country simply didn't have the ability to go to war. If the war seemed already won - if the RAF was destroyed over France, and the BEF was destroyed on the beaches, so that Britain can offer no short-term threat - then that's the start of convincing him to join in. It's tough, though.

Ireland requires the Axis to have already won. There's no possible way, ASB or otherwise, that Ireland joins the Axis without Britain having already fallen, because there's no way that Ireland can stop the British from invading and occupying the country. There's also no significant faction that would want to join the Axis, so you'd need a join-or-die ultimatum, but that's easily possible if Britain is down.

Turkey is a lot like Spain, not really able to fight, but unlike Spain they weren't pro-Axis. If Russia falls and the Axis gives a join-or-die they'd have to at least consider it.
 
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