AHC/WI/POD: Successful unified Indo-Greek Empire and settlement.

Last sentence wasn't directed to you. I meant I will explain more patiently.
Can I request you explain again because it seems to me that rather than saying
"looks similar",
"speaks a language with a common ancestral tongue", or
"shares a distant common lineage"
you seem to be saying
"is the same race".
Maybe it's because you're using ethnic terms synonymously with more specific cultural or linguistic terms. That might be something to avoid lest you repeat your earlier error of saying Scythians were genetically Germanic.
 

Albert.Nik

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Can I request you explain again because it seems to me that rather than saying
"looks similar",
"speaks a language with a common ancestral tongue", or
"shares a distant common lineage"
you seem to be saying
"is the same race".
Maybe it's because you're using ethnic terms synonymously with more specific cultural or linguistic terms. That might be something to avoid lest you repeat your earlier error of saying Scythians were genetically Germanic.
Common Haplogroups and Genetic origin is undoubtedly true. As true as European colonization of New World and Australia. No doubt about it. Not quite distant as well.
I agree,they may not be exactly similar and minor differences might exist. Both were light haired and light eyed,tall,light skinned and Caucasoid. Minor Mongoloid admixture would exist for both. You see,just as Germans and Slavic/Baltic people look similar though different population,that's how Scythians would vary as well. Genetically,I think there might have been Finno-Ugric,Native-European and some Eurasian admixture for Germanic peoples while for Scythians and other Iranian peoples in Central Asia didn't get proportionately much admixture or got it from different groups. Just as it is quite hard to tell who is who if two people one of German and one of Slavic Russian/Polish/Czech stand in front of you and use sign language to communicate,it would be the same if one German and one original Scythian(had they still existed) communicated the same way as well. While both would have similar features and difficult to tell by eye,you can use Genetic science to find out who is who more easily. Germans are R1B and Scythians were R1A. Mixture from distinct looking natives/migrants was negligible for both as they didn't exist in those regions.
Language- different
Race- Same(Caucasian/White)
Common origin- Yes
Genetically identical- not fully.
Looks/physical features- same.
 
Language- different
Race- Same(Caucasian/White)
Common origin- Yes
Genetically identical- not fully.
Looks/physical features- same.
An improvement.
I'd point out that skin tone is no longer considered a marker for the Caucasoid group since it varies considerably within each group.
Basically Caucasoid =/= White.
Anthropologists, especially forensic, also tend not to use the old racial definitions anyway in favour of population genomic groups once genetics showed that phenotypes were as shared within those groups as without.
Or to put it another way, races don't really exist so using those terms is inaccurate.
 

Albert.Nik

Banned
An improvement.
I'd point out that skin tone is no longer considered a marker for the Caucasoid group since it varies considerably within each group.
Basically Caucasoid =/= White.
Anthropologists, especially forensic, also tend not to use the old racial definitions anyway in favour of population genomic groups once genetics showed that phenotypes were as shared within those groups as without.
Or to put it another way, races don't really exist so using those terms is inaccurate.
Caucasoid is a skull type. Caucasian is a race also called White. Ethiopians,Cushatics,Sudanese,Sahel people,Southern Arabs/Southern Semites,Somalis,Indians of mostly ASI genetic component(predominantly low caste but not limited to) are Non White Caucasoids.
Leventine Arabs and Northern Peninsular Arabs,Indians with IE origin(Upper Caste predominantly),Darker Iranian peoples are between White and border Non White. Central Asians,Russian Uralic peoples,Volga peoples,Some Slavs,Some Caucasian peoples,Some Turkish,Some Pashtuns,Some Iranians are called Turanids. They are Caucasian and Mongoloid mix but mostly Caucasoid. Note that Khanty and Nenets are mostly considered Mongoloid though they have light features. Turanids are mostly Caucasoid with tinge of Mongoloid. All other Caucasoids are fully White that includes those in Asia and even India. Just pointed this out in a Scientific sense.
 

Albert.Nik

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Actually Caucasoid is the updated term for Caucasian because of the association with "White". Since pale skin isn't a definition of Caucasian/Caucasoid.


I'd prefer it then if you used 21st century scientific terms than 19th/mid20th ones.
I don't know about the updated terms yet. I see Caucasian be used for White extensively even today by many and Caucasoid,Mongoloid,Turanid,Veddoid,Australoid,etc used to refer to skull features. Usually,expert doctors, geneticists,scientists,archeologists,etc use the terms to define Skull types and skeleton types based on features as far as I know. It isn't that popular among others.
 
Do you think somebody Czech or a Russian looks very different from German or a Brit?
Yes, it can be determined from a distance based on who is wearing an Adidas tracksuit, and whether they are drinking beer or vodka. (This has been confirmed by on-site archaeological evidence)
 
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I don't know about the updated terms yet. I see Caucasian be used for White extensively even today by many and Caucasoid,Mongoloid,Turanid,Veddoid,Australoid,etc used to refer to skull features. Usually,expert doctors, geneticists,scientists,archeologists,etc use the terms to define Skull types and skeleton types based on features as far as I know. It isn't that popular among others.
Caucasoid is a bit outdated and Mongoloid is generally frowned upon due to its association with Down's Syndrome ('mong(oloid)' being a slur to refer to those with Down's Syndrome). Additionally, Northeast and Southeast Asian populations differ in terms of combined non-metric cranial traits, and so lumping them into one group is a bit questionable at best.

With the above in mind, Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid in general have also fallen out of favour due to the oversimplification (because lumping genetically and culturally diverse groups into three neat divisions, followed by associating certain traits with said groups) they have historically encouraged and socio-political connotations they hold, as Cuvier's terminology and beliefs have been largely appropriated by racial science over the last few centuries with some very horrific consequences (there's quite a few from the New Imperialism era and the World Wars).

I'd tread carefully, seeing as there's been a kick for the use of a map with the above racial terminology. Especially ironic when you posted
Continuing to post pseudoscience denying proven migrations without evidences will be reported henceforth.
 
A hypothetical Tocharian/Scythian Empire in Persia and Mesopotamia will probably be less stable than the Parthians were IOTL, being foreign invaders rather than a local Persian dynasty. They may not get as far as the Parthians, either—could we see a rump Seleucids in Mesopotamia?

The Romans may get a bit farther into Mesopotamia and Armenia if Persia’s weaker, but I would doubt that they’d border the Indo-Greeks. The latter nation will, even if wanked, have a hard time expanding into Persia given their Indian core territories and need to defend them from Indian rivals.

I would like to point out that the Parthians themselves were not native Persians. They were a nomadic Iranian ethnic group that invaded the Seleucid empire. One Hypothesis even claims that the founder of the Parthian empire, Arcaces I, was a scythian.
 
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Albert.Nik

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I would like to point out that the Parthians themselves were not native Persians. They were a nomadic Iranian ethnic group that invaded the Seleucid empire. One Hypothesis even claims that the founder of the Parthian empire, Arcaces I was a scythian.
Yes. Parthians in most likelihood were a mix of Scythian,Caucasian and of the Greek ruling class just before the Parthians. He was from a region called Dahae.
 
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