AHC/WI: Permanently Disunited China

There are plenty of threads discussing scenarios and worlds where the USA never exists or is destroyed in some way, but their authors can hardly be called anti-American. The entire purpose of this board is to imagine how history could have gone differently and one of those possibilities is a world where China never (re)united.

BTW, it's not the "anti-Sinophiles" going against China--it's the Sinophobes; someone with neutral views on China could be "anti-Sinophile" since love for a country is non-neutral.

Yes, but somes accused of 'sinophilia' did present some valid points fot their side, like the more unitary and less fragmented nature of the territory of China, and as time pass, the more and more %majority-ing of the Hans.. so yeah, one can't make always = comparaisons, you can't always expect that a 'plot hook' would work in another part of the world just because.

Because the crux is actually acusations of being fanboys you may argue. Like 'weeaboos' of China at times, for some very extreme/improbable? cases. :rolleyes:
 
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Yes, but somes accused of 'sinophilia' did present some valid points fot their side, like the more unitary and less fragmented nature of the territory of China, and as time pass, the more and more %majority-ing of the Hans.. so yeah, one can't make always = comparaisons, you can't always expect that a 'plot hook' would work in another part of the world just because.

Because the crux is actually acusations of being fanboys you may argue. Like 'weeaboos' of China at times, for some very extreme/improbable? cases. :rolleyes:

ASB accusations are essentially an attempt to stiffle discussion, it's not surprising that such people react hostility when that phrase is thrown out without sufficient justification.
 
There are plenty of threads discussing scenarios and worlds where the USA never exists or is destroyed in some way, but their authors can hardly be called anti-American. The entire purpose of this board is to imagine how history could have gone differently and one of those possibilities is a world where China never (re)united.

BTW, it's not the "anti-Sinophiles" going against China--it's the Sinophobes; someone with neutral views on China could be "anti-Sinophile" since love for a country is non-neutral.

Are you saying the person that replied with "Bah, let the Sinophiles do what they wish." 'neutral' !?

It certainly didn't sound like that to me.
 
ASB accusations are essentially an attempt to stiffle discussion, it's not surprising that such people react hostility when that phrase is thrown out without sufficient justification.

That's because the motive of bringing the topic is questionable and there is suspicion that it is meant to make other people justifiedly hostile just like that particular thread/poll about HK independence in the future sub-forum.

If you say that people are justifiedly hostile towards ASB accusations then I have the right to say that people are also justifiedly hostile towards suspicious threads meant to provoke hostile reactions.

Especially with so much online articles/news, etc that are so biased towards China. How big is the percentage of these biased news/articles, etc against China compared to those against the West ?
 
That's because the motive of bringing the topic is questionable

For one, I'm not sure how my "motive" matters when I never referred to it in the OP, but instead confined myself to asking the twin questions of how you could create a disunited China and, following on from that, what effects it would have.

Secondly, just so no one can possibly accuse me of Sinophobia, my interest in asking this question were pretty much exactly the same as the interests of someone who asks how the United States could be divided. China being unified more often than not into a single state structure has exerted a profound effect on not only Chinese culture and philosophy, but also the cultures and states around her.

This is exactly parallel to the fact that the United States, being a single state with control over most of a continent, has therefore been in a position to affect much of the rest of the world (communications and transportation having improved since the period of China's predominance) by exporting American culture, politics, and so on, whether militarily or through media productions or whatever. Hence, if the United States (or China) were disunited, it would have a significant effect on history, and it is therefore an interesting question to ask whether it would be possible and, if so, what effects disunity in either case would have. As I mentioned, I was particularly keenly interested in whether cultures and languages which were, IOTL, Sinicized or displaced from the mainland, such as the proto-Austronesians, might survive in a world where China is disunited.

I'm not sure how that could be described as Sinophobic, or, for that matter, how your hysterical accusations of Sinophobia and refusal to engage with the (very short) question added anything at all to the discussion?
 
That's because the motive of bringing the topic is questionable

For one, I'm not sure how my "motive" matters when I never referred to it in the OP, but instead confined myself to asking the twin questions of how you could create a disunited China and, following on from that, what effects it would have.

Secondly, just so no one can possibly accuse me of Sinophobia, my interest in asking this question were pretty much exactly the same as the interests of someone who asks how the United States could be divided. China being unified more often than not into a single state structure has exerted a profound effect on not only Chinese culture and philosophy, but also the cultures and states around her.

This is exactly parallel to the fact that the United States, being a single state with control over most of a continent, has therefore been in a position to affect much of the rest of the world (communications and transportation having improved since the period of China's predominance) by exporting American culture, politics, and so on, whether militarily or through media productions or whatever. Hence, if the United States (or China) were disunited, it would have a significant effect on history, and it is therefore an interesting question to ask whether it would be possible and, if so, what effects disunity in either case would have. As I mentioned, I was particularly keenly interested in whether cultures and languages which were, IOTL, Sinicized or displaced from the mainland, such as the proto-Austronesians, might survive in a world where China is disunited.

I'm not sure how that could be described as Sinophobic, or, for that matter, how your hysterical accusations of Sinophobia and refusal to engage with the (very short) question added anything at all to the discussion?
 
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