AHC/WI/PC: White Majority in Southern Africa

RavenMM

Banned
Early Colony in Southern Africa by a great power, for example from the habsburg through the dutch traders. Some people who would went to america go there. Have it revolt and become a democracy where people want to emigrate too. Have way more settlers going their, especially many germans who went to the US in OTL, as they can now go to a free country which is german speaking.
 

ThePest179

Banned
Can we get Southern Africa (South Africa and enclaves, Malawi, Mocambique, Angola, Namibia, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Botswana) white European majority through colonization and what would happen?

Yes. Put up gas chambers, crematoria, death squads, you could do it, but it would be one of the most horrible things to happen, ever.

What will happen is a massive diaspora as the rest of Africa is shitting themselves in fear and arming themselves to the teeth.

Congrats, you may have laid the foundation for a race war. :mad:
 
As mentioned before, it's already been done (at least, close to it) in two different TL's.
While all of Southern Africa (Angola, Zambia and Moz on down) would be a bit of a stretch, vast swaths of it could be white majority, and a very large white population throughout the rest. Reagent and Vitaro have shown how it would be possible. The basic gist of Vitaro's being quite simply to bring in Portuguese, settlers in the late 1400's/early 1500's, with a liberal immigration policy, and population growth due to superior agricultural techniques, combined with policies of displacement. This will quickly see the whites gain the upper hand population wise, and the Black African population will be hard pressed to keep up without introductions of major agricultural advancements.

Quite plausible IMHO.
 
All you need is a powerful state willing to engage in genocide.

Maybe the Portuguese focus on Africa rather than South America, and form early colonies at the Cape, Mozambique, Angola. Ends up as a highly racist Portuguese-speaking state encompassing most of southern Africa; black people are forbidden to reproduce with whites, and have no rights. The colonists work out that the natives do more harm than good, and sometime in the 1800s enact a program where all "negroid" male babies must, by law, have their testes removed at birth.
Black people gradually die out.
 
All you need is a powerful state willing to engage in genocide.

Maybe the Portuguese focus on Africa rather than South America, and form early colonies at the Cape, Mozambique, Angola. Ends up as a highly racist Portuguese-speaking state encompassing most of southern Africa; black people are forbidden to reproduce with whites, and have no rights. The colonists work out that the natives do more harm than good, and sometime in the 1800s enact a program where all "negroid" male babies must, by law, have their testes removed at birth.
Black people gradually die out.
I was under the impression the OP was asking about a white majority, not a "wipe-out-all-non-whites" goal. :confused:
People seem to forget that Africa was not actually peopled by hundreds of millions of people, several centuries ago. A simple strong influx of rapidly population Europeans would see a white majority in several areas, relatively quickly.
No need for any of this genocide, mass-murder, eugenics business.
 
I was under the impression the OP was asking about a white majority, not a "wipe-out-all-non-whites" goal. :confused:
People seem to forget that Africa was not actually peopled by hundreds of millions of people, several centuries ago. A simple strong influx of rapidly population Europeans would see a white majority in several areas, relatively quickly.
No need for any of this genocide, mass-murder, eugenics business.

Problem is, to fulfill OP's requests, we'd have to get around the fact that until recently, European settlers didn't stand a chance once they got much further north than the Cape. Diseases will kill 'em.
 
Problem is, to fulfill OP's requests, we'd have to get around the fact that until recently, European settlers didn't stand a chance once they got much further north than the Cape. Diseases will kill 'em.

An earlier introduction of Quinine as a prophylactic against Malaria (not terribly difficult) could help solve this problem.
 
Problem is, to fulfill OP's requests, we'd have to get around the fact that until recently, European settlers didn't stand a chance once they got much further north than the Cape. Diseases will kill 'em.
That's hardly the only issue that needs to be gotten around. I was trying to show what a more easily obtainable objective might be; the OP is certainly not ASB, nor does it require industrial-scale killing to achieve.
An earlier introduction of Quinine as a prophylactic against Malaria (not terribly difficult) could help solve this problem.
There's actually quite a large chunk of southern Africa which is naturally malaria free: much more than just the cape. Although, I'd assume you already know that. ;)

A combination of Quinine, as well as an understanding of how it spreads would do wonders for a population.
 
I was under the impression the OP was asking about a white majority, not a "wipe-out-all-non-whites" goal. :confused:
People seem to forget that Africa was not actually peopled by hundreds of millions of people, several centuries ago. A simple strong influx of rapidly population Europeans would see a white majority in several areas, relatively quickly.
No need for any of this genocide, mass-murder, eugenics business.

Please I'm not calling for genocide! White-majority doesn't mean exterminate all blacks just stop!
 
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Fixed it for you.

Granted this might be easier if South Africa developed a sort of 'Reverse one Drop Rule' where any visible white ancestry would make someone be counted as white.

This actually happened in the United States, incidentally. Genetic studies have shown that about 30% of white Americans have some degree of sub-Saharan African ancestry. The "one drop rule" was never quite as systematic as is often imagined. Light-skinned people of mixed race have "passed" for white throughout U.S. history.
 
Same reason India was not a settlement colony, white people ain't gonna live anywhere that's too populated and natives are more resistant to diseases than they do.:D
 
Same reason India was not a settlement colony, white people ain't gonna live anywhere that's too populated and natives are more resistant to diseases than they do.:D
Except that the majority of the areas in question with the OP aren't all that populated. That's the whole reason settler colonies did succeed in places like South Africa, Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, Angola, Mozambique, etc.
The population of places like India, China, SE Asia were on a whole different level than southern Africa.
 
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