AHC/WI No Rwandan Genocide

[King of the Uzbeks]

The 20th anniversary of the Rwandan Genocide is next year. So I chose to post this thread.

Basically what it says on the tin, it seems like there were signs that the Genocide was coming. Also there were UN Peacekeepers there but were told not to intervene by the UNSC unless attack, of course there wasn't much they could do anyway.

As for butterflies from the averted genocide. The lack of the many Hutus fleeing Rwanda into Zaire after the Genocide will have major effects on the modern problems in the Congo.

 

[Alan Clark]

The 20th anniversary of the Rwandan Genocide is next year. So I chose to post this thread.

Basically what it says on the tin, it seems like there were signs that the Genocide was coming. Also there were UN Peacekeepers there but were told not to intervene by the UNSC unless attack, of course there wasn't much they could do anyway.

As for butterflies from the averted genocide. The lack of the many Hutus fleeing Rwanda into Zaire after the Genocide will have major effects on the modern problems in the Congo.

I still think Zaire/DRC would of collapsed into communal fighting. After Mobutu the country was pretty much a powderkeg with all the various loyalities that were only kept under wraps by the aging leader and his power base.

While a pretty brutal occurrence, the Rwandan Genocide was not a unique nor really an incredibly surprising event in post Imperial Africa.

 

[LeX]

The Rwandan genocide was fucked up man, that stuff doesn't happen every day, not even in Africa.

 

[King of the Uzbeks]

I still think Zaire/DRC would of collapsed into communal fighting. After Mobutu the country was pretty much a powderkeg with all the various loyalities that were only kept under wraps by the aging leader and his power base.

While a pretty brutal occurrence, the Rwandan Genocide was not a unique nor really an incredibly surprising event in post Imperial Africa.

Zaire will probably still collapse but the circumstances might change.

Eastern Congo has many Hutus and Tutsis

I agree with LeoXiao that Genocide is not a "ununique" occurrence in Africa.

 

[Lalli]

Rwandan genocide is one of worst genocides after Holocaust. Not everyday thing even in Africa.

I don't know what would happen if there not be Rwandan genocide. And probably we need colonial POD that we could avoid that. It could need if CPs win WW1. Germans had much more reasonable colonial politics than Belgians.

 

[King of the Uzbeks]

Rwandan genocide is one of worst genocides after Holocaust. Not everyday thing even in Africa.

I don't know what would happen if there not be Rwandan genocide. And probably we need colonial POD that we could avoid that. It could need if CPs win WW1. Germans had much more reasonable colonial politics than Belgians.

We can't avoid ethnic strife but a POD that far back is unnessasary to avoid a genocide it should probably be 5-10 years back. That might not butterfly away the civil war but the Genocide might be averted.

 

[Alan Clark]

If it didnt happen in Rwanda, it would of happened somewhere else. Most likely in the actual DRC/Zaire.

Tensions were not building up there and in the rest of central africa for a few years, they had been building up for a few centuries. Throw that into a mix where culturally violence is seen in far less nastier terms and you have a pretty lethal mix.

 

[cubefreak123]

Bill Clinton stated in his biography that a big reason why he didn't want to get involved in Rwanda (and the Balkans) was because of the Black Hawk Down incident and the public backlash that it created. If you butterfly that away then the US may be more willing to do something about it. But I don't know how much of an affect (if any) that would actually have apart from the US trying to push the UN to take a more aggressive stance on the issue.

 

[King of the Uzbeks]

Bill Clinton stated in his biography that a big reason why he didn't want to get involved in Rwanda (and the Balkans) was because of the Black Hawk Down incident and the public backlash that it created. If you butterfly that away then the US may be more willing to do something about it. But I don't know how much of an affect (if any) that would actually have apart from the US trying to push the UN to take a more aggressive stance on the issue.

Clinton has said that the lack of intervention was one of the biggest regrets of his presidency.

Apparently a guilt ridden High-Ranking officer in the government of Rwanda leaked plans for the genocide to the US but for procedural reasons it wasn't processed. At least that's what I've read it may be unreliable.

Also keep in mind that the genocide lasted only about 100 days.