AHC/WI: More Taiwan-like states

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by GenericAltHistorian, May 13, 2019.

  1. GenericAltHistorian Active Member

    May 8, 2019
    After the KMT's defeat in the Chinese Civil War, the government of the Republic of China evacuated to the island of Taiwan and still has authority over the island today. Are there any other states that could pull out a Taiwan-like scenario, fleeing to an island or a dependency/colony of that country while the new government controls the mainland?
  2. GenericAltHistorian Active Member

    May 8, 2019
    Bump. Anyone interested?
  3. VadisDeProfundis Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2018
    If the Greek civil War turned out diffeeently, I would expect the Anglo-Americans to prop up a Kingdom Of Greece that would consist only of Crete+the Aegean Islands, the Ionian Islands, plus Cyprus, if the British are feeling like it. So that’s definitely one there.

    Apart from that? Perhaps after the Russian Revolution, an Russian Provisional Government In Exile could be proclaimed in, say, Alaska as an American/British puppet state had the Americans not purchased the land, in Transamur as a Japanese client state, and so on.

    France or Portugal could have revolutions forcing their governments to flee to their colonies, but I don’t know how sustainable that situation would be, and I think they would be forced to give indeendence or extensive local autonomy to the colonized, it might not even be the same nations.

    That’s pretty much all I could think of right now.
  4. Theoretical_TJ Well-Known Member

    Dec 21, 2014
    An exterminationist Germany towards France that causes the French government to make major long term investments in Algeria, and to have a large scale evacuation there as France is falling could be one. Alternately, Corsica or Sardinia are nice alternatives for France or Italy.

    You’d need a very different WWII, say with an antilatin bent and an apathetic/crushed-in-spirit Britain. Was it Norway or Finland that has a giant island that could become an enclave for a noncommunist government?

    Cuba as the refuge for the USA in the event of a communist takeover (with unwelcome reception by the locals) is a trope but a darn good one.

    New Zealand as the refuge for a Red Australia also comes to mind.
  5. Jackson Lennock Well-Known Member

    Dec 18, 2017
    Reds take over mainland France. The Free French proceed to base themselves in Algiers or Corsica.

    South Vietnam flees to Phu Quoc.
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  6. rsha1s Well-Known Member

    Mar 30, 2017
    The Commies win the Korean War and the RoK flees to Jeju Island.
  7. Pauh the federalist Well-Known Member

    Feb 12, 2018
    I saw a hearts of iron 4 mod that had the French monarchy flee the Napoleonic revolution to French Louisiana (which they retained in that timeline) and set up a tawain like a monarchist/loyalist state in Louisiana after the revolutionary won the war on the mainland.
  8. martymcfly Well-Known Member

    May 11, 2016
    Italy becomes Communist after WWII, the "free" government flees to Italian Libya.
  9. ShortsBelfast Events, dear boy, events

    May 20, 2016
    Danish government in exile in the Faroes or Iceland; British in Newfoundland or Prince Edward Island; Portugal in Madeira and the Azores, never mind their African colonies; Spain/Catalonia in the Balearic Islands; Sweden in Gotland.
  10. SeaCambrian Well-Known Member

    May 28, 2018
    Japan invades much farther into India, communists behind the lines dissolve the Japanese occupation and also defeat+unite the British Raj as the People's Republic of India, while a Republic of India is formed and retreats to Sri Lanka.
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  11. Born in the USSA Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2015
    A class uprising in the CSA leads to the retreat of the government to Cuba.
  12. 297* Well-Known Member

    Nov 18, 2014
    After World War I, the German Royal Family is given sovereignty over East Prussia only.

    After World War II, the House of Savoy is given sovereignty over only Sardinia.
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  13. The Militant Doberman Well-Known Member

    Jun 28, 2018
  14. Chris Triangle Triangulator

    Jul 29, 2011
    That would be ironic.
  15. WILDGEESE WARNING: Left-handed & extremely accident prone!!!

    Sep 11, 2013
    How about Nationalist China forces in the Chinese Civil War not only getting Taiwan (Formosa) but another group flee to Hainan Island.

    Both islands then evolve with separate capitalist governments and administrations.

    The Republic of Taiwan (ROC)

    The Republic of Hainan

  16. BigBlueBox Well-Known Member

    Jun 21, 2017
    Southern California
    I made a thread on this and the responses suggested that KMT control of Hainan was very tenuous. There was a CCP insurgent group operating on the island and it was close enough to the mainland to be easily captured. If the KMT did hold onto it though (probably by foreign intervention) then it would still be an integral part of the ROC-in-exile. If anything, since Hainan is purely ethnic Han it could become dominant.
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  17. Zachariah Well-Known Member

    Jan 28, 2016
    Hmm. We're talking solely about post-1900 candidates, right? A couple of other plausible options:

    The British decline to directly intervene on behalf of the Sultanate of Muscat and Oman in the Jebel Akhdar War, and as a result, with the backing of Saudi Arabia and Egypt, the Imamate of Oman succeeds in wresting control from the Sultanate, with Sultan Said bin Taimur and his government forced into exile in the overseas possession of Gwadar;
    South Yemeni government evacuates to the Socotra archipelago, in an Cold-War era war between NATO-backed North Yemen and Warsaw-Pact backed South Yemen. What do you think?
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  18. John Cena Palaiologos Famous wrestler from Roman Central Formosa

    Feb 13, 2017
    Inside a marble statue, somewhere under Taichung
    The Spartakus League successfuly overthrowns the Weimar government but crushed by Allies. Liebknecht, Luxemburg and most of the communist army flees to the USSR and creates a commumist germany in the OTL Volga German ASSR.
    AFAIK the PLA used wooden boats to cross the Hainan strait since they didn't have a navy. If the nationalist airforce had bombed their ports with incendiary bombs the invasion would have failed like the one at Kinmen.
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  19. Braden Anderson Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2017
    Republic of Texas
    Tasmania would be good too.
    Last edited: May 19, 2019 at 5:37 PM
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  20. 1Big Rich Well-Known Member

    Sep 24, 2018
    In a pre-1900 scenario, I was thinking Cuba and/or Puerto Rico and/or Hispanola as a refuge for the CSA. Maybe one of Jefferson Davis' first acts is to purchase one or more of the islands from Spain...

    But I digress...
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