AHC/WI: Mongolian loss in Mongol-Jin War

Chinghiz Khan had already put in place the military organisation by the time of the Jin invasion. In 1205, when he became Chinghiz Khan, he had basically set up his affairs in order, and made full provision for succession in case of his own death (which he came close to, IOTL). And he had hugely competent generals - better military men than what Alexander had in his invasion. People like Jebei, Jelme, and Subotai are not going away anytime soon (unless the lost army included ALL these leaders). Any of them would pick up just where Chinghiz left off and would be back in a few years, after they had set right any disturbances in the wake of the Khan's death.
And none of that would've happened either, had Genghis died as a child. That's the kicker, isn't it? ;)
 
Well here's the interesting question, then. the Jurched were obviously quite capable of putting together a big enough and well organized enough steppe cavalry army under the Q'ing (after they renamed themselves Manchu) to conquer the Mongols even to the point of exterminating the Dzunghar who would not submit to them. Obviously they learned from their mistake in not paying enough attention to their northwest frontier 500 years earlier. Which means that Wanyang Aguda was perfectly capable, if he had chosen to do so (which would have been the POD) of riding the Jurched northwest and fighting the Mongol tribes and unifying them, the Merkits and the Naiman and the Tatar under his banner BEFORE taking on the Lliao, the Hsi Hsia and then the Song, riding west somewhere in the middle of those conquests. In other words, becoming the equivalent of Chinggis Khan 100 years before Temujin was born.
So what would have been the effect on the world of a Jin conquest spreading west from Jurchenia (Manchuria) to the Middle East and Europe 100 years earlier than it did OTL the Mongols? Who would be in a position to resist them? Who would not be in a position to resist them? Would the Jurched be stopped by an Emperor passing away the way the Mongols were when a Khagan died? I don't think so.

Liao Dynasty (Kidan Empire -in Mongolia) Mongolian Dynasty, which controlled from OTL Manchuria to OTL Mongolia + North China. When Jurchen destroyed Liao Dynasty, many nomadic tribes become independent. Lets assume Wanyang Aguda prioritized to firmly subjugating Mongols first. I believe he can do it. Now we doubled Jurchen military power. We postponed the conquest of Song Dynasty by decade. By logic he need to deal with Tangut and Hsi-Hsia first before he need to launch campaign against Song. Which is easy. So Wanyang will launch his conquest of Song 15 years later than OTL. Maybe this time he could fully conquer China...
If Jin can successfully integrates Mongolian tribes then maybe Chingis will be greatest General of Jin Dynasty? And other Mongol Generals will be Famous Generals too? Wow. maybe Jin would do World conquest same as OTL Mongolia?
 
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And none of that would've happened either, had Genghis died as a child. That's the kicker, isn't it? ;)

If Genghis died we won't talking about unified Mongols.
However we are talking about post 1206, which means Mongols united and Mongolian Empire established by Genghis Khaan.
OP says Mongol loose Jin-Mongol War. This means Jin could successfully defended itself from Mongol conquest.
 
Probably nothing. People we know today as "Mongols" would be known as Naiman or Qaraei and they are dominated by descendents of some other great Khan, until they come back to haunt the Jin again.

By Jin-Mongol War, old tribal establishment was destroyed. There wasn't Naimans or Kerieds or Tatars or Merkits. There was only Mongols.
 
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