AHC WI mediaval church provides welfare state

To some degree Religious orders did provide some services to the less well off.

WI it were in fact they were a real source support and health and education for all.

Note the Church was not drawn to pure capitalism, market prices for scarce goods were often seen as sinful
 

RousseauX

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WI it were in fact they were a real source support and health and education for all.
Medieval societies, at the GDP/capita level they were at, were probably incapable of doing this.

Things like mass public education and healthcare became possible after the industrial revolution and the establishment of the state as the provider of such services. In pre-industrial societies, such things were handled by one's families and such rather than by any institution.
 
The problem is as said above. It's not like there was great healthcare and education for those that could afford it, creating the need for the government to fill in. Everyone had pretty low standards of healthcare, even if the royalty had it somewhat better
 
Well, um, they tried. It didnt end well.

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tenthring

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Medieval societies, at the GDP/capita level they were at, were probably incapable of doing this.

Things like mass public education and healthcare became possible after the industrial revolution and the establishment of the state as the provider of such services. In pre-industrial societies, such things were handled by one's families and such rather than by any institution.

This. Charlemagne couldn't even read. How are you going to have universal education?
 
Universal education wasn't seen as a priority, why would peasants who only need to farm which they can learn that from their family need to know how to read?
 
just so ...

Mass Public Education started in some 1730's ... for an example (closest to home for me), between 1721-1727, the Danish King established 241 schools, which, at least in principle, were excepted to educate all childern in their district, with special focus on those not able to hire private tutors, although still set up so the childern could help working home on the farm, and IIRC it was done after Prussian image, which solidified it into mandatory compulsive schooling in 1780s ...
 
just so ...

Mass Public Education started in some 1730's ... for an example (closest to home for me), between 1721-1727, the Danish King established 241 schools, which, at least in principle, were excepted to educate all childern in their district, with special focus on those not able to hire private tutors, although still set up so the childern could help working home on the farm, and IIRC it was done after Prussian image, which solidified it into mandatory compulsive schooling in 1780s ...

Except that's well past the Middle Ages. The Middle Ages "officially" ended in 1453 (although it is fairly stupid to say there's really that huge of a difference between the two eras for awhile is so blurry as to be meaningless, by 1730 you're comfortably early modern though).
 
Well, um, they tried. It didnt end well.

The Hospitallers turned out mostly okay (I hear they still perform aid services today).

Except that's well past the Middle Ages. The Middle Ages "officially" ended in 1453 (although it is fairly stupid to say there's really that huge of a difference between the two eras for awhile is so blurry as to be meaningless, by 1730 you're comfortably early modern though).

But it's before the Industrial Revolution. Once you've developed the concept of statehood, you've got the potential.
 
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