ahc wi James II uses tolerance

Could James have reached dissenters as well as fellow Catholics by saying that he would not head the Church of England but that all faiths could worship.

In olt he was feared as seeking to impose Catholicism.

Later other Christian faiths outside the established church faced discrimination in England and Also Ireland
 
Considering that half the dissenters were around because they viewed the Anglican Church as being to full of 'Popery', probably not. In many ways they were the most anti-Catholic people in the country.
 
Could James have reached dissenters as well as fellow Catholics by saying that he would not head the Church of England but that all faiths could worship.

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Which is exactly what he did, of course. Have you not read the Declaration of Indulgence 1687 ?

And , of course, it was exactly this attempt to impose hated toleration on the Kingdom that prompted the Bishops Petition and led directly to his deposition.

What ever makes you imagine that anyone in 1688 would be willing to accept such an abomination as all faiths being free to worship?
 
Which is exactly what he did, of course. Have you not read the Declaration of Indulgence 1687 ?

And , of course, it was exactly this attempt to impose hated toleration on the Kingdom that prompted the Bishops Petition and led directly to his deposition.

What ever makes you imagine that anyone in 1688 would be willing to accept such an abomination as all faiths being free to worship?

In a way James II was ahead of his time.
 
Besides, we're still close enough to Henry's break with Rome, that the King not being the Head of the Church makes the break look less legitimate, increases the stature of Roman Catholicism, and decreases that of the CofE.

Which may very well have been his intent.
 
Which is exactly what he did, of course. Have you not read the Declaration of Indulgence 1687 ?

And , of course, it was exactly this attempt to impose hated toleration on the Kingdom that prompted the Bishops Petition and led directly to his deposition.

What ever makes you imagine that anyone in 1688 would be willing to accept such an abomination as all faiths being free to worship?

Except for the fact that most nonconformists quickly came to see his policies as a sop to buy their support for the rest of his policies, of which they were less than fond. Especially those deriving from James' big ol' mancrush on his cousin Louis XIV. Truth be told, James' wasn't even popular with England's Catholics, for that very reason.
 
Except for the fact that most nonconformists quickly came to see his policies as a sop to buy their support for the rest of his policies, of which they were less than fond. Especially those deriving from James' big ol' mancrush on his cousin Louis XIV. Truth be told, James' wasn't even popular with England's Catholics, for that very reason.

Are we hinting at homosexuality, or just James finding Parliament to cramp his style?

The impression I get - and I bow to the experts - is that James wasn't truly interested in despotism (as in, screw the rule of law as a principle) per se, but he definitely had very little tolerance for having his Divine Rights questioned by mere mortal men - amplified by being a Catholic who would find them being Protestant at least vaguely offensive.

Not the kind of monarch likely to do well in the environment he was in, in other words.
 
Are we hinting at homosexuality, or just James finding Parliament to cramp his style?

The latter. James was openly imitating the ideas of Louis XIV, who he admired the hell out of, quite possibly more than he should have. The combination of 'let's become an absolute monarchy!' and 'Let's help France take over the continent!' didn't sit well with most Englishmen.
 
The latter. James was openly imitating the ideas of Louis XIV, who he admired the hell out of, quite possibly more than he should have. The combination of 'let's become an absolute monarchy!' and 'Let's help France take over the continent!' didn't sit well with most Englishmen.

:eek:

The former might be something you could sell if you were a more people-savvy ruler than James (though one who was and who was king of England might know better than to try, given the unlamented royal martyr), but the latter is going to be violently unpopular at best - and make all other policies tarred by association.

No wonder people thought he planned to do a Protestant slaughter. Even if he had no such intentions, it makes much more sense in context.
 
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