AHC/Wi:Indian Annexation of Pakistan and Bangladesh

Anyway you could get a Extremist Hindutva India Before Pakistan gets Nuclear Weapons

Would India Be able to overrun the whole of Pakistan and Bangladesh

How badly would an insurgency be, could India hold on to Pakistan and Bangladesh long term

Would they be able to hinduize parts of Pakistan and Bangladesh

What would the international reaction and response be
 
Could India take it all? They basically did in the 1971 war when Bangladesh was occupied and the Indian army twenty miles from Lahore when it stopped.

Could they hold onto it long term? That depends on what they do with them. If they try to rule them directly, it will be a disaster. On the other hand, if they allow a large degree of autonomy, splitting Pakistan into fewer pieces and just running the foreign and defense operations like the British did, then they could hold it long term

What would be the international reaction? Henry Kissenger would throw a temper tantrum but the rest of the world would just yawn. The Americans wouldn't do anything as they were tied down in Vietnam, the Soviets and Indians were allied against the Chinese and the Chinese would be hard pressed to send much over the Himalayas

Would they be able to Hinduize parts of old Pakistan? They wouldn't even try. Islam had been part of the scenery for centuries and one sixth of India is Muslim
 
Could India take it all? They basically did in the 1971 war when Bangladesh was occupied and the Indian army twenty miles from Lahore when it stopped.
Given India would Anti-Muslim and seeking to conquer both countries in this TL , Wouldn't Bengals and Pakis be more motivated to Resist India

the Soviets and Indians were allied
Given India would be Anti-communist and now has the Durand Line in this tl , Isn't a reapproach likely with the us

Would they be able to Hinduize parts of old Pakistan? They wouldn't even try. Islam had been part of the scenery for centuries and one sixth of India is Muslim
So would they try to expel and or kill off the Muslim population or just force them into a state of permanent subjugation rather then trying forced and willing conversions
 
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So would they try to expel and or kill off the Muslim population or just force them into a state of permanent subjugation rather then trying forced and willing conversions
They wouldn't do anything like that, as long as the Muslims arnt doing anything to harm or hinder Indian control India likely won't do anything either.
 
Pakistan has a terrain which would be difficult for Indian soldiers (They have a lot of mountains), and there would be a lot of resistance among the soldiers and civilians. Not happening unless the Indian army gains super strength.

Also, a Hindu nationalist India would just create more resistance. Yeah, the Indians defeated the soldiers, now they would have to fight off anti-Indian Muslim majority militias in Indian occupied territories.
 

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Could they hold onto it long term? That depends on what they do with them. If they try to rule them directly, it will be a disaster. On the other hand, if they allow a large degree of autonomy, splitting Pakistan into fewer pieces and just running the foreign and defense operations like the British did, then they could hold it long term
After several decades of independence, though, I don't see either Pakistanis or Bangladeshis being willing to live under Hindu rule--even with large amounts of autonomy for them.

Indeed, a better bet for India would be to try to puppetize both Pakistan and Bangladesh.
 
Could India take it all? They basically did in the 1971 war when Bangladesh was occupied and the Indian army twenty miles from Lahore when it stopped.

Could they hold onto it long term? That depends on what they do with them. If they try to rule them directly, it will be a disaster. On the other hand, if they allow a large degree of autonomy, splitting Pakistan into fewer pieces and just running the foreign and defense operations like the British did, then they could hold it long term

What would be the international reaction? Henry Kissenger would throw a temper tantrum but the rest of the world would just yawn. The Americans wouldn't do anything as they were tied down in Vietnam, the Soviets and Indians were allied against the Chinese and the Chinese would be hard pressed to send much over the Himalayas

Would they be able to Hinduize parts of old Pakistan? They wouldn't even try. Islam had been part of the scenery for centuries and one sixth of India is Muslim

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Why would India just decide to annex all of Pakistan and Bangladesh? Indira Gandhi was not an idiot. The 1971 war had India helping the Bengali freedom fighters, for India to just annex them would give the freedom fighters a new enemy: India.

Also "The rest of the world would just yawn" yeah, a big country just annexed a medium sized country and a small country means the rest of the world would just shrug and say "oh well, what are you gonna do?". They would be peace talks initiated by the UN in order to have a fair peace.
 
After several decades of independence, though, I don't see either Pakistanis or Bangladeshis being willing to live under Hindu rule--even with large amounts of autonomy for them.

Indeed, a better bet for India would be to try to puppetize both Pakistan and Bangladesh.

The Bengalis would prefer anything to Pakistan in 1971. Again, the model doesn't hae to be a full fledged occupation.


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Why would India just decide to annex all of Pakistan and Bangladesh? Indira Gandhi was not an idiot. The 1971 war had India helping the Bengali freedom fighters, for India to just annex them would give the freedom fighters a new enemy: India.

Also "The rest of the world would just yawn" yeah, a big country just annexed a medium sized country and a small country means the rest of the world would just shrug and say "oh well, what are you gonna do?". They would be peace talks initiated by the UN in order to have a fair peace.

The question wasn't why but could they. The answer is yes, they could

In the 1970s people accepted a lot. The US was bogged down in Vietnam and not interested in another, much larger war. The Soviets had no reason to intervene and the Chinese really couldn't

If anyone intended to intervene, the time to do so was long since past.. By the time the war ends, the Pakistani Air Force is no more and over half the army is in Indian POW camps.

So who do you think had

1) the will to intervene

2) the reason to intervene

3) the ability to intervene
 
Not entirely sure if I understand the first post, but if it is speaking about India being Hindu nationalist... well, then they want all of Kashmir. And for Pakistan too split in two or more. They don't want MORE non-Hindus. They had enough trouble dealing with Sikhs, Naxalites, and... well, everyone. I have heard India described as functioning not anarchy. Anyways, Annexing those cuontries would mean India has the highest Muslim populatoin in the world. It would be something like a third of the population?
 
Not entirely sure if I understand the first post, but if it is speaking about India being Hindu nationalist... well, then they want all of Kashmir. And for Pakistan too split in two or more. They don't want MORE non-Hindus. They had enough trouble dealing with Sikhs, Naxalites, and... well, everyone. I have heard India described as functioning not anarchy. Anyways, Annexing those cuontries would mean India has the highest Muslim populatoin in the world. It would be something like a third of the population?
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The question wasn't why but could they. The answer is yes, they could

In the 1970s people accepted a lot. The US was bogged down in Vietnam and not interested in another, much larger war. The Soviets had no reason to intervene and the Chinese really couldn't

If anyone intended to intervene, the time to do so was long since past.. By the time the war ends, the Pakistani Air Force is no more and over half the army is in Indian POW camps.

So who do you think had

1) the will to intervene

2) the reason to intervene

3) the ability to intervene

Why didn't you respond to my post saying that Indian troops would have to go through harsh terrain and the fact that they would be anti-Indian militias? Surely, that would be a great thorn in the side of India.

Also to answer your question:

1. The UN, which was created so that a country fully annexing another nation couldn't happen without just cause. Why would India just decide to annex Pakistan?
2. See #1
3. The UN had the ability to intervene. If India says "fuck you" and annexes Pakistan and Bangladesh there would be harsh sanctions, maybe even an embargo if India does go Hindu Nationalist.


Why would India go Hindu Nationalist? You never elaborated on that.
 
Could India take it all? They basically did in the 1971 war when Bangladesh was occupied and the Indian army twenty miles from Lahore when it stopped.

Hang on, in 1971, Bangladesh was East Pakistan at the time, which was why the Pakistan army was there. That was when Bangladesh was fighting for independence, and the people spent six months fighting the Pakistan Army to try and get independence. The Pakistan Army was busy trying to prevent this, and engaged in some brutal repressive techniques.

It was a civil war/war of independence (delete according to taste), and it involved some of the most egregious acts of terror it has ever been my misfortune to witness. Into this, once the monsoons had cleared, the Indian army came, ostensibly to restore order (which they did with a level of competence and professionalism that was praiseworthy). They may well have had other motivations, although as a lowly Royal Marine stuck protecting the British Embassy while the Hell was going on around him, I didn't pay much attention to deeper political questions.

The Bangladesh people welcomed the arrival of the Indian army, because the Indian army put an end to the terror that the Pakistan army was inflicting upon the Bangladesh people.

I make no claim to being a dispassionate, objective observer of that particular passage of history, but your statement is not in accord with what I witnessed.
 
Anyway you could get a Extremist Hindutva India Before Pakistan gets Nuclear Weapons

Would India Be able to overrun the whole of Pakistan and Bangladesh

How badly would an insurgency be, could India hold on to Pakistan and Bangladesh long term

Would they be able to hinduize parts of Pakistan and Bangladesh

What would the international reaction and response be

You don't mention the reasons for why India would become extremist all of a sudden. If you tend to think that India will become berserk all of a sudden and become a fundamentalist nation all of a sudden, you are really ignorant about the Indian mindset and the nature of political structures in India.
 
I think the best POD is have India take a firm stance against partition from the beginning and have the Indian army invade Pakistan just like they invaded Hyderabad to unify India. This way they do it before national identities are formed.
 
I think the best POD is have India take a firm stance against partition from the beginning and have the Indian army invade Pakistan just like they invaded Hyderabad to unify India. This way they do it before national identities are formed.

Umm, you are saying this in reference to what? India turning extremist or India being United?
 
Would they be able to hinduize parts of Pakistan and Bangladesh
Just noticed this. And the answer would be 'Hell No'. Heck, this would all probably involve pissing off southern aindia, who were not keen on the Hindu language and pressured India to keep English around as a second official language. And then there are the mixed Christian, a tribal, Buddhist, Hindu, and Muslim population of Assam, who would likely be caught up in any violence and suppression by Bengali liberationists, Maoists, and the Indian army. I wouldn't be surprised if all of this ended up with India not only losing the Muslim areas again, but losing a third of the land they have IOTL.
 
Why would India go Hindu Nationalist? You never elaborated on that.
Would something like losing disputed areas to both Pakistan and China, Failed Dictatorships and Extreme Economic Issues
If you tend to think that India will become berserk all of a sudden and become a fundamentalist nation all of a sudden, you are really ignorant about the Indian mindset and the nature of political structures in India.
You are correct, This is Situation is extremely unlikely if not impossible and would take Decades of issues
 
You are correct, This is Situation is extremely unlikely if not impossible and would take Decades of issues

I guess one would have to look back towards the origins of the State of Emergency declared by Indira Gandhi in the mid 1970s. While that was predominantly internal, it did cause some issues. If one could combine the State of Emergency and the assassination of Indira Gandhi, it's possible one could start to move towards an unstable situation.
 
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