AHC/WI: Have one or more Non Barbarian Germanic Peoples

Albert.Nik

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In the OTL Roman Empire,the Germanic people were considered as Barbarians and they didn't have a good treatment or reputation inside the Empire. This is evident by the treatment of Alaric,Merobaudes and Stillicho along with other Gothic settlers inside the Empire.

In an ATL,I would want you to have one or more Germanic peoples considered as Non Barbarian like the Galatians,Gauls who joined the Empire,Greeks,Anatolians like Zeno(emperor of the East in 476),etc. You can have your choice if you want them West Germanic like Franks or Saxons or North Germanic like Vandals(?),Norse,Danes or Swedes or East Germanic like Goths or one from all. You can have ways to obtain citizenship in Rome by serving/building up something and then getting freed or a large number of well treated Germanic origin Slaves who get freed after good service and consider themselves Roman or even joining in like the Galatians and the Gauls or something like that. How would this affect the later Roman Empire which could be led by a Germanic dynasty and what effects would that have on the Germanic states that appeared after Rome and so on?
 
You'd need a timeline where Rome conquers and assimilates substantial portions of Germania. Assimilated populations there would then have a similar development to the Illyrian emperors.
 
What about the germanic peoples that lived in the Roman empire on the border with Germania? Were those multi generational inhabitants of the roman empire considered barbarian? Perhaps they were atleast considered less barbarian than those germanics that lived outside?
 
If Rome is able to hold on to a chunk of Germany, i.e. no Teutoburg Forest disaster, maybe the Romans are able to extend their borders to the Elbe. With a large part of Germania under Roman control the region would be more Romanized, the area beyond the Elbe probably Romanizes a bit as well with Rome closer to them. This has massive butterflys for Germany, and the Germanic people, I would think being closer to Romes borders would jump start the formation of the large tribal confederations of the migrations period.
 
Since the southward expansion of the Germanic tribes from Scandinavia was very likely triggered by the same spark that started the Viking Age, unusually warm climate causing a relative demographic boom, you could have them develop enough to proportionally do as well the Norse and end up with a Germanic-staffed Praetorian Guard and Germania becoming to the Roman Empire what Russia was to the Byzantines.
 

krieger

Banned
In the OTL Roman Empire,the Germanic people were considered as Barbarians and they didn't have a good treatment or reputation inside the Empire. This is evident by the treatment of Alaric,Merobaudes and Stillicho along with other Gothic settlers inside the Empire.

In an ATL,I would want you to have one or more Germanic peoples considered as Non Barbarian like the Galatians,Gauls who joined the Empire,Greeks,Anatolians like Zeno(emperor of the East in 476),etc. You can have your choice if you want them West Germanic like Franks or Saxons or North Germanic like Vandals(?),Norse,Danes or Swedes or East Germanic like Goths or one from all. You can have ways to obtain citizenship in Rome by serving/building up something and then getting freed or a large number of well treated Germanic origin Slaves who get freed after good service and consider themselves Roman or even joining in like the Galatians and the Gauls or something like that. How would this affect the later Roman Empire which could be led by a Germanic dynasty and what effects would that have on the Germanic states that appeared after Rome and so on?

Maybe Marbod-wank could work? Let's say that Marbod somehow manages to maintain power since his death (Arminius and Catualda are defeated) and transfers it to his son. His son is quite a capable ruler, who manages to maintain all lands conquered by his father. Than you have a Germanic power with status similar to Persia.
 
Maybe Marbod-wank could work? Let's say that Marbod somehow manages to maintain power since his death (Arminius and Catualda are defeated) and transfers it to his son. His son is quite a capable ruler, who manages to maintain all lands conquered by his father. Than you have a Germanic power with status similar to Persia.

I can see a Germanic Kingdom forming on similar lines to Dacia.
 
In the OTL Roman Empire,the Germanic people were considered as Barbarians and they didn't have a good treatment or reputation inside the Empire. This is evident by the treatment of Alaric,Merobaudes and Stillicho along with other Gothic settlers inside the Empire.

In an ATL,I would want you to have one or more Germanic peoples considered as Non Barbarian like the Galatians,Gauls who joined the Empire,Greeks,Anatolians like Zeno(emperor of the East in 476),etc. You can have your choice if you want them West Germanic like Franks or Saxons or North Germanic like Vandals(?),Norse,Danes or Swedes or East Germanic like Goths or one from all. You can have ways to obtain citizenship in Rome by serving/building up something and then getting freed or a large number of well treated Germanic origin Slaves who get freed after good service and consider themselves Roman or even joining in like the Galatians and the Gauls or something like that. How would this affect the later Roman Empire which could be led by a Germanic dynasty and what effects would that have on the Germanic states that appeared after Rome and so on?
Maybe if the Suebians are dominated, allowed to settle, being foederated and assimilated ? Other maybe the Cimbers and Teutons are not destroyed but allowed to settle in Italy.
 
Maybe Marbod-wank could work? Let's say that Marbod somehow manages to maintain power since his death (Arminius and Catualda are defeated) and transfers it to his son. His son is quite a capable ruler, who manages to maintain all lands conquered by his father. Than you have a Germanic power with status similar to Persia.
Comparing a more unified early Germanic kingdom to Persia would be, IMO, too much of a stretch. A more proper comparison would be, say, the Caucasian kingdoms of Colchis or Albania.
 
With a later PoD you could have the goths thoroughly lose the gothic wars and be scattered across the empire to repopulate it. as the empire recovers and addresses its various military and administrative issues they could be turned into a sort of 'the best of the worst' in the eyes of the romans - still barbarians, but ones living a civilized lifestyle in the world's greatest empire, and speak a language similar enough to latin that it can pass as civilized.
 
The Romans would still call the Germanic tribes barbarian regardless of how they changed, unless Germania was conquered completely by the Romans and more thoroughly controlled than Britannia. Over the course of the Eastern Roman Empire, the term barbarian widened, and the Byzantines eventually called Persians and Latins barbarians. If the Roman Empire survived in the West, the term barbarian would be more generalized to all foreigners and West Romans could eventually apply the label to, ironically, Greeks themselves.
 
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