AHC/WI - Have Majapahit outlast the Ming

[Masked Grizzly]

However contrived it appears to be at first would say regionally after the Siamese looking at the Burmese, Khmer or Vietnamese as possible rivals to Majapahit hegemony / influence in places like Borneo and Philippines for something close to an ATL Hindu-Buddhist Boni/Brunei analogue to form.

 

[kasumigenx]

I think the Ottomans would try to help the Muslims when the Majapahit declines.

 

[Masked Grizzly]

I think the Ottomans would try to help the Muslims when the Majapahit declines.

It depends on the aftermath of Aceh being conquered by peak ATL Majapahit as well as to what becomes of Malacca after its fall as a battleground between Majapahit and Siamese prior to the Europeans. Can still see remnant Muslim communities existing ITTL though in a weaker position roughly paralleling to the OTL Blambangan kingdom.

The OTL period for Ottoman expeditions to the area lasted til the mid-16th century pre-Lepanto (as well as pre Portuguese victory in the Ottoman-Portuguese conflicts and War of the League of the Indies), the POD and resultant ATL providing little opportunities for the Ottomans to intervene due to the conflicts in the area and Majapahit's hegemony likely still being relatively intact, not to mention the latter's ties with European powers.

Additionally Majapahit's ATL post-Ming decline and fall in the late-17th century would only be about 2 decades before the Ottoman's own OTL stagnation beginning in the 18th century. There is the Omani Empire however their focus seemed to be along East Africa up to Gwadar in present day Pakistan.

 

[kasumigenx]

It depends on the aftermath of Aceh being conquered by peak ATL Majapahit as well as to what becomes of Malacca after its fall as a battleground between Majapahit and Siamese prior to the Europeans. Can still see remnant Muslim communities existing ITTL though in a weaker position roughly paralleling to the OTL Blambangan kingdom.

The OTL period for Ottoman expeditions to the area lasted til the mid-16th century pre-Lepanto (as well as pre Portuguese victory in the Ottoman-Portuguese conflicts and War of the League of the Indies), the POD and resultant ATL providing little opportunities for the Ottomans to intervene due to the conflicts in the area and Majapahit's hegemony likely still being relatively intact, not to mention the latter's ties with European powers.

Additionally Majapahit's ATL post-Ming decline and fall in the late-17th century would only be about 2 decades before the Ottoman's own OTL stagnation beginning in the 18th century. There is the Omani Empire however their focus seemed to be along East Africa up to Gwadar in present day Pakistan.

but still possible.

 

[Masked Grizzly]

but still possible.

Not saying it couldn't happen just have doubts Ottoman intervention would be very effective prior to their expeditions into the Indian ocean being curbed, especially if a wanked ATL Majapahit capable of holding more than its own (pre-decline) becomes allied to the Portuguese.

 

[kasumigenx]

Not saying it couldn't happen just have doubts Ottoman intervention would be very effective prior to their expeditions into the Indian ocean being curbed, especially if a wanked ATL Majapahit capable of holding more than its own (pre-decline) becomes allied to the Portuguese.

They could wait until Majapahit declines.

 

[Masked Grizzly]

They could wait until Majapahit declines.

It does not match up with OTL Ottoman naval expeditions in the Indian Ocean. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_naval_expeditions_in_the_Indian_Ocean

It is possible to see Pasai / Aceh prior to its fall as the Malay archipelago version of the rump Emirate of Granada ITTL whose existence is similarly precarious, yet that is assuming a wanked ATL Majapahit that avoided its OTL decline in the late-14th century (with no conflicts over succession after Hayam Wuruk's death) has not already conquered the area and more during its extended Golden Age.