AHC/WI: Gran Colombia, Mexican Empire, and Peru-Bolivia remain Intact

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This is from Wikipedia's list of proposed state mergers. As you can gather from this, the borders in Latin America were pretty fluid but the region wound up fragmented. So how can we have it today that Mexico includes all of Central America (besides Panama), Colombia includes Ecuador, Venezuela, and Panama, and Peru and Bolivia are one country? And what would the effects be? Would this reduce US hegemony over the region?
 
Well, just to clear up one thing first and foremost (especially because it's an annoying pet peeve of mine) - if Gran Colombia remained intact, it wouldn't be called Gran Colombia. That's a much later historigraphical construct within academia to distinguish it from modern Colombia, which reclaimed much of the symbology of the former. Instead, the place would be called Colombia, with its formal long-form title as the Republic of Colombia (much like modern Colombia now).
 
You may need to specify dates for when they are going to be intact. Also keep in mind the conflicting claims that arose east of Ecuador. Will this also be preventing Mexico from accepting the independence of Central America (which was attached to them very shortly, after a century and a half of being in a different viceroyalty) or stopping Chile, Paraguay, Brazil, and Argentina from claiming or retaining land Bolivia later claimed? But yah, I see this requires Mexico to keep Central America which they conquered. Unless we are trying to wank Mexico City, all I can see this doing is causing even more of Mexico to go independent.
 
Gran Colombia remained intact, it wouldn't be called Gran Colombia. That's a much later historigraphical construct within academia to distinguish it from modern Colombia
There was an old idea of a great Colombia at the time, as modern colombia was just new granada(nueva granada in spanish), the idea of Great Colombia, was a mega colombia from what is now costa rica, to essequimbo to the north carribean sea(that was the time new granada recover san andres/henrietta islands and wanted to get Domican/Santo Domingo) the term gran colombia still existed, Colombia as named was not formal till 1886 as we exchange the Granadine(Granadino) and Colombia term at the time.(Confederacion Granadina, Estados Unidos de colombia, Republica de Nueva granada and so on)
 
Peru-Bolivia OTL didn’t survive for a variety of reasons such as the isolation of Bolivia, or Upper Peru, from the rest of Peru and the populations not being exactly homogenous; not to mention the general fear of neighboring states about the power of a Peru-Bolivian confederation. If it is to survive it’d need some sort of guarantee from a great power, or it’d have to find a way to come to terms with its neighbors; whether that’s through diplomatic or military means is left to be seen obviously. However if they could, for instance come to an agreement with Brazil on the borders of the Amazon, and come to an agreement with Argentina over Jujuy it could help them in long-term survival.
 
Peru-Bolivia OTL didn’t survive for a variety of reasons such as the isolation of Bolivia, or Upper Peru, from the rest of Peru and the populations not being exactly homogenous; not to mention the general fear of neighboring states about the power of a Peru-Bolivian confederation. If it is to survive it’d need some sort of guarantee from a great power, or it’d have to find a way to come to terms with its neighbors; whether that’s through diplomatic or military means is left to be seen obviously. However if they could, for instance come to an agreement with Brazil on the borders of the Amazon, and come to an agreement with Argentina over Jujuy it could help them in long-term survival.
And Chile? what about Chile? they were the ones that destroyed The Peru-Bolivia Confederation in the First Place, Brasil didn´t have a interest in the Region until the Late XIX century, and the Argentinean Attack was defeated by the Bolivian Army.
 
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This is from Wikipedia's list of proposed state mergers. As you can gather from this, the borders in Latin America were pretty fluid but the region wound up fragmented. So how can we have it today that Mexico includes all of Central America (besides Panama), Colombia includes Ecuador, Venezuela, and Panama, and Peru and Bolivia are one country? And what would the effects be? Would this reduce US hegemony over the region?

I Highly Doubt you could Maintain the First Mexican Empire, MAybe Maintain the Federal Republic of Central America is more Doable
 
I Highly Doubt you could Maintain the First Mexican Empire, MAybe Maintain the Federal Republic of Central America is more Doable

Well, the First Mexican Empire is difficult but potentially doable. Or there's always @Arkhangelsk 's TL about an independent Mexican Republic from the beginning maintaining more or less most of the OTL territory of the First Mexican Empire.
 
Well, the First Mexican Empire is difficult but potentially doable. Or there's always @Arkhangelsk 's TL about an independent Mexican Republic from the beginning maintaining more or less most of the OTL territory of the First Mexican Empire.
Could it be, but The FRCA have a soft spot in my heart. And is not Only because a united FRCA is in better position to fight Back the USA Aggression .
 
i have been working on a TL where Gran Colombia and FRCA survive. although Gran Colombia is a federal state called the United states of Colombia and the FRCA is called the United Provinces of Central America. one interesting event i came up with is around the early 1900's there was competing canal projects between the panama canal project and the Nicaragua canal project.
 
Forgive me for self-promoting but I've got 2/3.
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/help-wanted-seeking-emperor-bonaparte-mexico.440370/
My thoughts were have someone better suited to the Mexican crown take the throne instead of Iturbide (it was supposed to go to any Catholic European prince). To keep Gran Colombia (United Colombian States) I had there be a larger war to build a national identity and the federalists and Bolivar compromise enough to build a new constitution.
Peru-Bolovia is harder because the other South American countries didn't like the idea of a large country that could threaten their own independence.
 
What would happen if Peru-Bolivia stays Spanish and becomes the end of the century independent?Would it still fall apart?
Depends.
My first instinct it´s say there is no Way Peru and Alto Peru, continue in Spanish hands, after Nueva Granada, La plata, Paraguay and Chile are de Facto Independents, as all the newly independent countries consider that Peru in the hands of the Spanish is a too big threat to maintain their independence as is a ready advance base for any try of Reconquest from Spain to allow the country not be free., So the first think the new republic do, after have a secure home base was Launch "Expediciones libertadores" to Peru.

In the case that Spain, somehow, maintain the Control Over Peru and Alto Peru, they will have to fight a lot againts all the independent countries that have no interest in a diplomatic resolution of the limits, Chile will try to push as the northern they can, Paraguay will push to annex the Chaco and, if they can, for Santa Cruz, Argentina, will push for Jujuy and the Closest to Potosi they can, Colombia, an later Ecuador will push for the Southern most frontier they can.

So you will end with a Larger country overall but smaller than the OTL independent Peru and Bolivia
 
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