AHC/WI: Fourth Abrahamic Religion

[Zioneer]

You are posting in before 1900 AH. Perhaps you are thinking of the future history board? And as far as a new major religion, it would take the fall of civilization to get that many manipulable people to follow a new religion. Other than fringes, I just don't see it happening in today's world any other way.


Sorry, I missed this bit. Their core beliefs of Jesus continuing his life in the Americas seems incompatible with the Christian belief. This maks me wonder... Did Islam consider itself an offshoot of Christianity in the early days? I know they also believe that Jesus was a past prophet, just not the last one.

Wait wait wait, having Jesus do more things means Mormons are not Christian? Shouldn't that make Mormons extra-Christian?

 

[mikegold]

Samaritanism?

BTW, the OP does not call for the fourth religion to become major, just to 'rise.'

 

[Rush Tarquin]

Successful Taiping Rebellion? Large population and no one in the West will consider it Christianity.

 

[PhilippeO]

some weird offshot of yazdanism ?


Kurdistan have contact with both Christianity and Islam. Some successful prophet in Kurdistan could have created new syncretic religion and separate it from both Islam and Christianity.


in OTL Ahl-el-Haqq, Alevi and Yezidis have several million followers. Ahl-el-Haqq and Alevi consider themselves Islam. while Yezidis usually not considered Abrahamic.

 

[Zuvarq]

Successful Taiping Rebellion? Large population and no one in the West will consider it Christianity.

That would work. Since it not only totally died out OTL (unlike Baha'i or Druze or some of the other suggestions, so it'd be 'new'), but if it was successful it would eventually convert all of China.

Though I think some in the West could consider it a Christian heresy.

 

[Zuvarq]

Is there any way a new Abrahamic religion could sprout up in OTL Crusader states, alternate Crusader states (Norman Tunisia, Crusader Egypt), or al-Andalus before 800?

 

[Socrates]

I don't think people are addressing the challenge. What they are asking for is a non-OTL religion emerging as a major power, not a small OTL religion getting bigger or more different.

Presumably the best possibilities are other charismatic people claiming to be the Jewish messiah.

 

[Iori]

but if it was successful it would eventually convert all of China.

I doubt that, for it to succeed it just needs to be able to successfully form a break-away state; the Taiping were never going to control all of China, they simply did'nt have the support or manpower to do so.

So what would end-up happening is a Southern China based state in which the Taiping religion becomes the State Religion and eventually you get a situation where 60-70% of the population follow it and the rest form large religious minorities, whcih still would mean a religion with tens of millions of followers.

 

[General Tirpitz]

Did Islam consider itself an offshoot of Christianity in the early days? I know they also believe that Jesus was a past prophet, just not the last one.

Wiki has quite interesting quotes on the topic:

From that time to the present a false prophet named Mohammed has appeared in their midst. This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an Arian monk, devised his own heresy. Then, having insinuated himself into the good graces of the people by a show of seeming piety, he gave out that a certain book had been sent down to him from heaven. He had set down some ridiculous compositions in this book of his and he gave it to them as an object of veneration. ... There are many other extraordinary and quite ridiculous things in this book which he boasts was sent down to him from God. But when we ask: ‘And who is there to testify that God gave him the book? And which of the prophets foretold that such a prophet would rise up?’—they are at a loss. And we remark that Moses received the Law on Mount Sinai, with God appearing in the sight of all the people in cloud, and fire, and darkness, and storm. And we say that all the Prophets from Moses on down foretold the coming of Christ and how Christ God (and incarnate Son of God) was to come and to be crucified and die and rise again, and how He was to be the judge of the living and dead. Then, when we say: ‘How is it that this prophet of yours did not come in the same way, with others bearing witness to him? And how is it that God did not in your presence present this man with the book to which you refer, even as He gave the Law to Moses, with the people looking on and the mountain smoking, so that you, too, might have certainty?’—they answer that God does as He pleases. ‘This,’ we say, ‘We know, but we are asking how the book came down to your prophet.’ Then they reply that the book came down to him while he was asleep

At the beginning of his advent the misguided Jews thought he was the Messiah. ... But when they saw him eating camel meat, they realized that he was not the one they thought him to be, ... those wretched men taught him illicit things directed against us, Christians, and remained with him.
Whenever he came to Palestine he consorted with Jews and Christians and sought from them certain scriptural matters. He was also afflicted with epilepsy. When his wife became aware of this, she was greatly distressed, inasmuch as she, a noblewoman, had married a man such as he, who was not only poor, but also an epileptic. He tried deceitfully to placate her by saying, ‘I keep seeing a vision of a certain angel called Gabriel, and being unable to bear his sight, I faint and fall down.’

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_Islam

Generally, Islam was seen as some sort of heretical version of Christianity while Muhammad was a false prophet or later on even the Anti-Christ.

 

[Zuvarq]

I doubt that, for it to succeed it just needs to be able to successfully form a break-away state; the Taiping were never going to control all of China, they simply did'nt have the support or manpower to do so.

So what would end-up happening is a Southern China based state in which the Taiping religion becomes the State Religion and eventually you get a situation where 60-70% of the population follow it and the rest form large religious minorities, whcih still would mean a religion with tens of millions of followers.

I meant in the long run. Surviving Taiping could take advantage of a collapsing Qing.

 

[Oracle of Sobek 𓆋]

Have we all forgotten about the Mandaeans? (Yep. Wiki. Deal with it.)

 

[DarkCrawler90]

I'd say Baha'i is already the Fourth Abrahamic faith, it's just very small

It's little less then half of the size of Judaism. Considering how late Baha'i started that's not bad at all. If Baha'i is a small religion...so is Judaism compared to the 2.2 billion of Christianity and 1.7 billion of Islam.

 

[M. Adolphe Thiers]

Have we all forgotten about the Mandaeans? (Yep. Wiki. Deal with it.)

Mandaeans are Gnostic, I don't want to get into the debate of, "is Gnosticism its own faith community or simply heresy?"

 

[The Blue-Eyed Infidel]

If Sabbatai Zevi had chosen matrydom instead of conversion to Islam, might the Sabbateans have evolved as a distinct faith?

Although you'd have to be very careful about making it a Turtledovian-history-on-rails copy of Christianity.

TB-EI

 

[Zireael]

I doubt that, for it to succeed it just needs to be able to successfully form a break-away state; the Taiping were never going to control all of China, they simply did'nt have the support or manpower to do so.

So what would end-up happening is a Southern China based state in which the Taiping religion becomes the State Religion and eventually you get a situation where 60-70% of the population follow it and the rest form large religious minorities, whcih still would mean a religion with tens of millions of followers.

If the state would be sufficiently large, the Taiping religion might become the fourth religion mentioned by the OP.

 

[Iori]

If the state would be sufficiently large, the Taiping religion might become the fourth religion mentioned by the OP.

Southern China has historically been very populace, and since in the present day Southern Chinas population is 385.8 million, that'd definately get it up there.