Now Italy is a very different problem ITTL. The German Emperors needed Italy because only Northern Italy gave them money and securing an open way to Venice is crucial.
Why was Venice crucial?
Now Italy is a very different problem ITTL. The German Emperors needed Italy because only Northern Italy gave them money and securing an open way to Venice is crucial.
Wait a second, in other discussion about France you've said that (ed.) Balkanized France often doesn't work because even when various lords wanted more power they never considered independence. Especially regarding the extent of 11th century Capetian power. When and why did that change?I serously doubt any agreement could lead to an united Carolingian Empire.
Church, or even Carolingians didn't stopped themselves to make agreements, plans, etc. Reality backfired.
You had too many local issues with ambitious nobles (The Kingdom of Pampelune was only the first to revolt against Carolingians) from peripheric provinces (critically Gothia, Aquitaine, Italy, Bavaria).
Even if you manage to have again a generation with only ONE male (whatever bastard or not), you only delay the unavoidable. And you'll have likely rebellion during his reign. Without counting the ambition of his relatives, allied if not part of these ambitious frankish families. Or even not frankish.
-Considering the dynasty: you'd need a stable, long-living dynasty. Thus, the old Emperor must live to ensure succession - no dying allowed while his son is still a child. On the other hand, he needs enough children to secure the dynasty - that implies competition and possibly partition of the lands. It's difficult to get that out as it was culturally inclined.
Wait a second, in other discussion about France you've said that (ed.) Balkanized France often doesn't work because even when various lords wanted more power they never considered independence. Especially regarding the extent of 11th century Capetian power. When and why did that change?
They did very well on this score, with an unbroken run of father-son successions from 987 until 1316. Did any German dynasty come anywhere near that?
Why was Venice crucial?
And wasn't it fortunate for Henry that he just happened to be in the same city as the royal treasury when that news broke...How Henry son of William of Normandy became King of England comes to mind.
Whether that was a hunting accident or a "hunting accident", those things do happen.
I thought about like TL.
I'm not good in the period, but, maybe, will be interesting...
Sorry to be here again, but I see some serious difficulties.I thought about like TL.
I'm not good in the period, but, maybe, will be interesting:
Killing them is highly implausible, except if Lothair want to alienate himself the nobles that supported his brothers, and if he want to have a bit of legitimacy for the Church that would really frown upon this.After hard civil war, Lothair defeated both brothers and killed them (or closed to monastery).
During the war, many dukes and other landowners died, and vikings begun his raids.
Lothair can protect Empire from vikings and return all lands, which are lost during war. Ordinatio Imperii became main rule of inheritance.
Loius II became an emperor. He inherited lands of Charles, when Charles died in 863 without sons, and lands of Lothair II, when Lothair died in 869. The only son of all three brothers - Hugh of Lothair - became hair of the Loius II, when Loius died in 875.
And wasn't it fortunate for Henry that he just happened to be in the same city as the royal treasury when that news broke...![]()
But Pippin the Hunchback can not rebel from monastery?Killing them is highly implausible...
For monasteries... It never prevented them to rebel or to join rebellions.
Majority of nobles, who wanted to rebel, if it's possible. And new dukes and nobles gave lands of killed.Define "many". If it's only a minority, nothing change. If it's the majority, it's not only unlikely, but would make the Empire even less managable.
By the coastal fortifications and creating of fleet, I thought. Maybe, he didn't protect completely, but successful fought with Normans.How?
If sons are like OTL, then Charles was ill, and Lothair II did not fight with brother, as far as I know.I don't understand why the sons of Lothair don't go rebellious ITTL.
If Pepin and Louis the German were defeated soon after 817, they both have not children. From three sons of Louis II, only Lothair had a son.Furthermore, what about the other sons part when they weren't emperors? Did they recieved a kingdom as their uncles and grand-uncles?
Not implausible, but unproductive. Remember that Louis had to publicly regret having did this with Bernart of Italy.But Pippin the Hunchback can not rebel from monastery?
Then he must blind them. Is it also implausible?
You crushed the empire. You simply didn't have enough nobles to replace A MAJORITY of nobles in place.Majority of nobles, who wanted to rebel, if it's possible. And new dukes and nobles gave lands of killed.
Creating a fleet from where? The naval tradition of Carolingians is particularly tiny. And coastal fortifications showed they were not an ideal defense.By the coastal fortifications and creating of fleet, I thought. Maybe, he didn't protect completely, but successful fought with Normans.
You probably butterflied that, as the situation really change. So, or they would have kingdoms and you'll have a risk of local or claim of more revolt, or you don't give them anything and they risk to be bitter to be relegated as vassals without demesne that was the lower rank of nobility.If sons are like OTL, then Charles was ill, and Lothair II did not fight with brother, as far as I know.
OTL yes. You changed many things, and the Lombard nobility (the most distinct nobility of the Empire) would probably help him to claim the title of his father, as Pépin II did in Aquitaine.So, only Pepin, the son of Bernard can receive any lands, but he and in OTL had no any kingdom.
Really honestly, I don't think so. At this point, you can indeed delay the tensions or the issues of Carolingia, but not deleting it.But I'm not sure, that it is possible at all.
Frankish family weren't really close.
And wasn't it fortunate for Henry that he just happened to be in the same city as the royal treasury when that news broke...![]()