AHC/WI: Berlin Conference of the Americas

yeetboy

Banned
What if the Americas were peacefully divided up between the European powers? Which countries would participate in this conference and how would the borders of the New World look?
 
And why? Following the wars of independence, only France ever came close to challenging American (and, more importantly, British) influence in the hemisphere and then only for a few brief, bloody years in Mexico.

Besides which, let’s say that for some reason a conference is held that assigns, say, Brazil to Germany.

What possible ability does Germany have to seize Brazil?
 
What if the Americas were peacefully divided up between the European powers? Which countries would participate in this conference and how would the borders of the New World look?
It's not that just called The Tordesillas Treaty? The fact it was done in 1494, and that only Two European Powers could project Forcé un The américas Is irrelevant, The Treaty objetive Is The same that the Berlín conference
 
Do you mean like a Treaty of Tordesillas with more kingdoms included in it? Or do you mean an actual post-Napoleonic diplomatic conference between westphalian sovereign states?
 
Also, the Berlin Conference dident actually assign territory to different counteries. It instead laid down a set of rules by which territorial claims were to be established and judged to be legitiment/enforcable or not on the international stage.
 

Lusitania

Donor
The Treaty of Tordesillas was a treaty between Portugal and Spain which laid out that all lands 200 miles west of Azores were Spanish and All of Africa and Indian Ocean was Portuguese. This was negotiated after Columbus supposedly discovered a western route to India and Far East. At the time there was no one in a position to challenge the Portuguese and Spain. For only the Portuguese knew how to sail around Africa to India and Spanish knew about the Americas. Right after the signing of the treaty the Portuguese discovered Brazil in 1500 and since it was within the Portuguese zone they were allowed to claim it and settle it. In 1500s after Magellan round the world expedition the Portuguese and Spanish settled the eastern boundary giving the Portuguese the spice islands and putting Philippines in Spain's zone.

The treaty did not stop either of France or England from sending ships to the new world.

As for the Berlin conference in the 19th century for the Americas that is not possible. The Americas were either completely claimed or independent. So there was no territory to claim (unlike Africa which till then had been only settled and explored along the coast.

As for before the 19th century we had that, but they were called wars between the major colonial powers (Britain, France, Spain and Portugal)
 
A few issues with that:
1.) Unlike at the Berlin Conference, the size and shape of the Americas was completely unknown. There was no easy way to simply draw up a map and say "okay you get this and you get that and you get that."
2.) The conquest of the Americas was WAY slower than the conquest of Africa.
3.) There were Native American Empires that arguably had a kind of parity with European nations. The swift conquest of the Mesoamerican empires and the Inca were ultimately really, REALLY lucky break for the Spanish.
Thus, simply slicing up a mostly unknown New World is a fool's errand.
 

Lusitania

Donor
But the political system and stability of countries would not allow a Berlin Conference till the 19th century. Sorry but you cannot take a concept from the 19th century and stick in in the 16th century.
 
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