AHC/WI: American Indian wank post-1815

TFSmith121

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Sure - Peru and Bolivia are possibilities, along those lines,

It also occurs to me that Mexico is an excellent example of what could, but also could not, have been. Central Mexico had a long history of native civilizations with a semi-feudal system of land tenure not dissimilar from Spain, a very large Indian population, and was subdued by Spain in part by coopting and incorporating native nobilities into the power structure. While it would take a lot of butterflies stretching back at least to 1519, one could conceivably imagine an alternate Mexico achieving independence from Spain that took on a more "Indian" cast, that saw itself as much heir to the Mexica/Aztec empire as it did European conquistadors, and that incorporated its large Indian population more fully into the power structure. This Mexico would still probably speak Spanish as its principle language and be Roman Catholic, but it could at least see itself as a Native American nation, not an extension of Europe in the new world.

Sure - Peru and Bolivia are possibilities, along those lines, but yeah, takes a really big point of departure...

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The problem the rest of the American tribes had is that they had little success, between the germs and horses and guns and steel. Except the ones I mentioned whom were obsoleted by Sam Colt's revolver. They were Plains tribes, whom had some of the Mongolian advantages - fast firing due to hunting llifestyle.

Except the Mapuche.
 
Comancheria, the Mapuche, the Sioux, and maybe Tecumseh's confederacy and the Seminole stand the highest chance of forming a surviving native state or territory. The Haida get honorable mention here because of their surprising efficiency at not only warding off Europeans but their quick adoption of foreign technologies to do so, but because of their isolation from the 1500s epidemics I don't know how they'll be able to handle disease.

Gotta stop to think though and realize how good the Xingu got it IOTL. :D
 
With a POD after Napoleonic Wars, how can American Indian tribes survive to the present day as independent entities?
Presuming you mean north of OTL Mexico? Define 'independent'. The demographics and disease issue are pretty much impossible to avoid at this point.

Perhaps the best case scenario would involve what boils down to statehood or provincial status withing the US or BNA. Whites can settle tribal lands subject to acceptance of existing property rights and have a say in the selection of the leadership if they accept the native suzerainty rather than set up their own state government. More to the point, voting delegates get sent to the capital with a say on how the nation as a whole is run.

Yes, swamping and assimilation is inevitable here; but this keeps the outright dispossession, residential schools, etc. off the table.
 
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