AHC/WI – A different Germany

The challenge is for an ATL modern Germany featuring the following PODs entailing an initial pre-1900 POD.

Also interested to know how the resultant ATL Germany would compare economically with its surrounding neighbors.

1-) The permanent border of ATL France (plus Wallonia) with Germany extends to the left bank of the Rhine river up to Koblenz, while Denmark retains Schleswig-Holstein.

2-) Germany post-WW1 becomes a constitutional monarchy with most of the House of Hohenzollern later retreating to a breakaway East Prussia as a result of the Nazis gaining power (possibly with a Nazi-leaning Kaiser remaining in Germany as a figurehead) and becomes part of a German government in exile of sorts prior to WW2, with the monarchy existing up to the present.

3-) Possibly during the mid/late-1930s in the run-up to the ATL WW2 includes a short-lived civil war between Nazi Germany and a breakaway Anti-Nazi East Prussian state.

4-) Baden-Württemberg either post-WW1 or post-WW2 votes to become part of Switzerland, with Austria (sans Vorarlberg and Tyrol) joining and remaining part of Germany up to the present.

5-) The Dutch Bakker-Schut Plan is implemented post-WW2 with Germany’s border with Poland still being the OTL Oder–Neisse line.
 
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I see no way to get this.
Having East Prussia, of all places, secede as a bastion of anti-Nazi resistance, while having Austria join Germany...??
Having Baden and / or Württemberg join Switzerland requires such massive changes as would certainly butterfly the Nazis away.

What exactly is it that interests you in this combination of divergences?

If you are basically just interested in how a Germany with the altered borders might look like, well: you`d have subtracted some industrialised, liberal Catholic parts and added some rural, conservative Catholic ones - that`s all I can say...
 
I see no way to get this.
Having East Prussia, of all places, secede as a bastion of anti-Nazi resistance, while having Austria join Germany...??
Having Baden and / or Württemberg join Switzerland requires such massive changes as would certainly butterfly the Nazis away.

What exactly is it that interests you in this combination of divergences?

If you are basically just interested in how a Germany with the altered borders might look like, well: you`d have subtracted some industrialised, liberal Catholic parts and added some rural, conservative Catholic ones - that`s all I can say...

Ok, scratch the parts with a breakaway East Prussia.

The POD with Baden-Württemberg joining Switzerland does not have to be post-WW1, a post-WW2 POD would do as well.

It is partly to see how an ATL Germany with altered borders and a constitutional monarchy might look as well as how it stands economically compared with OTL Germany and ATL neighbors.
 
I see no way to get this.
Having East Prussia, of all places, secede as a bastion of anti-Nazi resistance, while having Austria join Germany...??

This actually makes sense, to an extent. The Junkers hated the Nazis who were fundamentally a party of the worker and the common man, standing firmly against the nobility and entrenched upper classes (this aspect would be somewhat deemphasized after the Nazis got into power, but it actually remained an important factor in internal German politics all throughout the war, and is probably the biggest single source of contention between the SS and the "regular" military, with many of the latter's officers [especially higher officers] being of noble background and disliking the SS leadership's common origin, and vice-versa). East Prussia was one of the parts of Germany where "country nobility" remained strongest after WWI.
 
This actually makes sense, to an extent. The Junkers hated the Nazis who were fundamentally a party of the worker and the common man, standing firmly against the nobility and entrenched upper classes (this aspect would be somewhat deemphasized after the Nazis got into power, but it actually remained an important factor in internal German politics all throughout the war, and is probably the biggest single source of contention between the SS and the "regular" military, with many of the latter's officers [especially higher officers] being of noble background and disliking the SS leadership's common origin, and vice-versa). East Prussia was one of the parts of Germany where "country nobility" remained strongest after WWI.

Interesting

Had the idea of a stronger ATL Anti-Nazi opposition forming (backed by the Junkers and others as well as possibly even including the Black Front) with an Anti-Nazi royal such as Louis Ferdinand of Prussia acting as a figurehead first for a breakaway East Prussia then for a German government in exile after the fall of the breakaway East Prussia (and later becoming Kaiser after Post-WW2), while a Pro-Nazi royal such as August Wilhelm becomes a puppet Kaiser after Wilhelm II or his post-WW1 successor dies in potentially dubious circumstances.
 
Interesting

Had the idea of a stronger Anti-Nazi opposition forming (backed by the Junkers and others as well as possibly even including the Black Front) with an Anti-Nazi royal such as Louis Ferdinand of Prussia acting as a figurehead for a government in exile after the fall of a breakaway East Prussia (and later becoming Kaiser after Post-WW2), while Pro-Nazi August Wilhelm becomes a puppet Kaiser after Wilhelm II or his post-WW1 successor dies in potentially dubious circumstances.

I think the main issue is that the Junkers were clearly losing their power in Weimar, and the two groups most quickly rising were the Communists and the Nazis. The Junkers, for good or for ill, decided that the Nazis were the lesser evil and tended to back them (largely hoping to use them as a weapon to keep the masses from turning communist). It's possible that if all-out civil war breaks out in Germany, then you might see the "old guard" of Prussian country nobles create a monarchist state in most of the eastern bits of Germany, but it's hard to see such a state not trying to reclaim the rest of Germany, or vice-versa.
 
It's possible that if all-out civil war breaks out in Germany, then you might see the "old guard" of Prussian country nobles create a monarchist state in most of the eastern bits of Germany, but it's hard to see such a state not trying to reclaim the rest of Germany, or vice-versa.

The intention would be to have a breakaway early/mid-1930s East Prussian state be short-lived, perhaps such a country would attempt to establish a broad tent in order to seek Western backing (or League of Nations support) as the legitimate government of Germany.

Only for some such as a pre-abdication Edward VIII to pressure the British government and others to instead back the Nazis via the puppet Kaiser August Wilhelm over Anti-Nazi Kaiser Louis Ferdinand.
 
Ok, scratch the parts with a breakaway East Prussia.

The POD with Baden-Württemberg joining Switzerland does not have to be post-WW1, a post-WW2 POD would do as well.

It is partly to see how an ATL Germany with altered borders and a constitutional monarchy might look as well as how it stands economically compared with OTL Germany and ATL neighbors.

Baden or Württemberg (or both) joining Switzerland after WWII also requires a massive impulse. The moment for such a move was there historically - like around 1520, when the revolting peasants could have used Confederal assistance. But after WWII, Baden-Württemberg has become a bastion of liberal bourgeois politics, with an emphasis on the latter. Germany being a constitutional monarchy would not have antagonsied a serious amount of people in Baden and Württemberg. Not enough to have them join Switzerland. Now, if this constitutional monarchy somehow goes far-left-wing social-democratic in the 1960s for whatever reason, farther left than Sweden or Norway around that time, with all-out nationalisations and everything, THEN I could imagine some Baden-Württembergers preferring Switzerland. But they`d most likely implement this preference individually, by emigrating with their bank accounts.

How Germany stands and behaves towards its neighbours and within the European institutions (if these exist) depends a lot on which political path it would take post-WWII. Can`t deduce that from the divergences you gave in the OP.

As for the later contribution to the discussion: The Junkers weren`t exactly good at these broad tent things. Even when everything had already gone to waste, i.e. in 1944, it still didn`t take off. In 1933, the only ones close to putting up some resistance were communists and social democrats. If the landed gentry really had minded the Nazis enough, the Nazis would have had an easy ride rolling over their resistance. Perhaps then Hitler would have kept the Röhm wing and its SA batallions longer in place until such conservative opposition would be defeated, and only then turn against them. Or not at all, if they proved so very loyal.
 
Regarding Junkers and broad tents and democracy, I'm also a little skeptical, though they may be willing to do it if they're sufficiently desperate and there are sufficient safeguards in place against the evil Socialists.

On the other hand, let's not forget that these people are heirs to the tradition of Friedrich Wilhelm IV, who would not take accept being declared German Emperor by the Congress of Frankfurt because he did not wish to take a "crown from the gutter".
 
Baden or Württemberg (or both) joining Switzerland after WWII also requires a massive impulse. The moment for such a move was there historically - like around 1520, when the revolting peasants could have used Confederal assistance. But after WWII, Baden-Württemberg has become a bastion of liberal bourgeois politics, with an emphasis on the latter. Germany being a constitutional monarchy would not have antagonsied a serious amount of people in Baden and Württemberg. Not enough to have them join Switzerland. Now, if this constitutional monarchy somehow goes far-left-wing social-democratic in the 1960s for whatever reason, farther left than Sweden or Norway around that time, with all-out nationalisations and everything, THEN I could imagine some Baden-Württembergers preferring Switzerland. But they`d most likely implement this preference individually, by emigrating with their bank accounts.

Aside from the people in Baden and Württemberg would the Swiss even allow that? Irrc they didn't even want Voralberg alone to join after WW1 (because it would massivly increase the number of German speakers and upset the balance of power). Today Baden-Württemberg alone has a larger population than Switzerland (more than 10 million inhabitants + 400.000 in Voralberg)
 
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