AHC: White Russian 'Taiwan'

HeavyWeaponsGuy

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Zmflavius said:
Green Ukraine was the industrial heart of the former Russian Empire? Are you sure you haven't confused it with Black Sea Ukraine?
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Whoops, I've been looking too much into Nestor Makhno lately.

But yeah, the Vladivostok area is even less likely to be allowed into the hands of a foreign power, it's one of the Bolshevik government's best Pacific ports, and truth be told, it's a money sink for Japan.
 

Incognito

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Gaius Julius Magnus said:
There is an actual book on this.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0394524314...TF8&colid=3Q1QA33UACRP0&coliid=I30HU92D2W7V86
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Of course, if Crimea was an island it would butterfly so much away (and I don't mean some random flap of wings causes hurricane -- I mean direct effects like if Crimea is an island, would the Crimean Tatars be able to carry out the raids on Slavs in Ukraine, resulting in the development of the historical relationship between the 2 people?). Then again, I suppose Crimea could have been turned into an island by digging a canal in Tsarist times, thus minimizing butterflies (why would a canal be needed though?). I will likely give the book a shot though.

Regardless, the more I think about it the more enticing the scenario of a White Crimea is. just look at the map:

map_of_crimea.jpg


There is only a narrow isthmus and the Arbatskaya Strelka that's connecting Crimea to the mainland. If the Russian Black Sea fleet stays loyal to the Whites and than the British or French or even the Turks give aid to stop the communist advance and keep the Black Sea under allied control, it seems that it would not be impossible to fortify the peninsula against Bolsheviks. If the Korean Demilitarized Zone & Minefield can work, I don't see why fortifying a much narrower amount of land would be much harder.
 

Aley

Incognito said:
Of course, if Crimea was an island it would butterfly so much away (and I don't mean some random flap of wings causes hurricane -- I mean direct effects like if Crimea is an island, would the Crimean Tatars be able to carry out the raids on Slavs in Ukraine, resulting in the development of the historical relationship between the 2 people?). Then again, I suppose Crimea could have been turned into an island by digging a canal in Tsarist times, thus minimizing butterflies (why would a canal be needed though?). I will likely give the book a shot though.


There is only a narrow isthmus and the Arbatskaya Strelka that's connecting Crimea to the mainland.
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On this was in the days of the Soviet Union Vasily Aksenov's book "The Island of Crimea". In English to be published.
Arbat Strelka is not connected to the mainland.
 

Whanztastic

How about the Caucasus Mountains? Allies can resupply through Black Sea and Iran, difficult terrain to fight in, a relative bottleneck in the 'isthmus', at least compared with the rest of Russia.
 

Aley

Kamchatka would be a good option as it would have been inaccessible from land, but alas - there is virtually non-existent in those days, the infrastructure necessary to sustain life, even tens of thousands of people.
 

Aley

Whanztastic said:
How about the Caucasus Mountains? Allies can resupply through Black Sea and Iran, difficult terrain to fight in, a relative bottleneck in the 'isthmus', at least compared with the rest of Russia.
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"There are no fortresses that were not able to take the Bolsheviks!":D
 

JimTheB

Trying to make Crimea work - Turkey switches sides towards the end of WWI and then takes part in the intervention by the Western powers in the Russian Civil War?
 
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