The Challenge is to have no major war waged between two countries or more waged from the end of world war one to 2000 or longer. Border disputes or Minor conflicts around the level of the Persian Gulf War are allowed.
AHC: War to end All Wars
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Prevent the Nazi's from rising to power, Hitlers greatest achievement in foreign policy was bringing a whole bunch of people who all did not want to go to war to war, having people in charge who aren't intent on starting a war would probably very easily mean all sides just decide to give peace a chance.
Why on earth is it impossible to avoid another world war? I mean it even gives allowance for little regional wars so it's entirely possible to continue wars in this scenario.
By Persian Gulf war I'm assuming you mean the 1991 Gulf War?
Not sure how the Gulf War can be classed as minor when it involved 1.5 million combatants and killed over 100,000 civilians and 30,000 troops (approximates)
I get your point but contrast 2 million dead with 50 million dead, and a war where huge parts of the world were turned into battlefields rather than one isolated region.
Germany and Russia collapse into civil war during the 20s with Germany devolving back into smaller states and looking like it did for the 1000 years pre-Bismark. Lithuania, Ukraine, Belorussia bail on USSR, which succumbs to 10 years of civil war. It is so weakened thereafter that it cannot wage war for a generation. Mussolini tries something in africa and gets slapped down and then booted from office. Japan is hard though. Not conducive to revolution with the Emperor and homogenous population. Also too interested in imperialism. Best I got.
Just looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll, it's clear that the OTL Russian Civil War is way deadler than the original post's guideline for a maximum war size. I think your proposed Russian civil war would be even bigger than the OTL Russian Civil War.
Looking at the numbers from the Wiki page, lets say we count "Second Persian Gulf War/Operation Desert Storm" and "1991 uprisings in Iraq" as the same war, using the upper bound estimates for a total death count of 292,000. For the sake of argument, let's say we allow wars to have death counts up to twice that, 584,000. Then at the very least, we have to worry about the following wars:
Colombian conflict (1964–present) 600,000
First Congo War (1996–1997) 800,000
Rwandan Civil War (1990–1993) 800,000-1,000,000
Mozambican Civil War (1975–1994) 900,000-1,000,000
Soviet war in Afghanistan (1979–1989) 957,865-1,622,865
Sino–Tibetan War (1930-1932) 1,000,000
First Indochina War (1946-1954) 1,000,000
Iran–Iraq War/First Persian Gulf War (1980–1988) 1,000,000
Second Sudanese Civil War (1983–2005) 1,000,000
Nigerian Civil War (1967-1970) 1,000,000-3,000,000
Vietnam War/Second Indochina War (1955-1975) 1,102,000-3,886,026
Korean War (1950–1953) 1,200,000
Second Congo War/Great War of Africa (1998–2003) 2,500,000-5,400,000
Russian Civil War and Foreign Intervention (1917–1922) 5,000,000-9,000,000
Chinese Civil War (1927–1949) 7,500,000
World War II (1939–1945) 60,669,200-84,589,300
Interwar Germany was pretty homogeneous at this point in history (it was pretty close before the war too, come to it.
That's not to say civil war was impossible (far from it), but devolving to Little Germanies as it had been for the three hundred years before is pretty much ASB at this point in history.
It's a lot easier to just butterfly Hitler, IMO.
Civil war in the USSR is pretty difficult too, to be honest. Unless you mean an extension of OTL's civil war. Due to war weariness and a lack of probable opponents.
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Need a clearer definition of "major war", and do civil wars like Korea and Vietnam count as such? What about wars in Africa, do they count as major even though they don't extend outside of the continent?
Assuming nothing changes up until 1918 and the end of the first world war, it is unlikely that the second world war can be prevented. Too many people had a vested interest in imposing their interests on the world through military force. The only way that can be prevented is if lots of political threats are assassinated before they can organize an actual war, and I don't see someone doing that to prevent regional wars afterwards either.
It might be possible with a radically different Nazi Party coming to power, one that is able to pull western Europe and America into its camp under a platform of pan-Aryan cooperation and worldwide eugenics. There wouldn't be a WW2 as we know it, but it's still likely that Japan will go to war with China at the least.
Assuming nothing changes up until 1918 and the end of the first world war, it is unlikely that the second world war can be prevented. Too many people had a vested interest in imposing their interests on the world through military force. The only way that can be prevented is if lots of political threats are assassinated before they can organize an actual war, and I don't see someone doing that to prevent regional wars afterwards either.
It might be possible with a radically different Nazi Party coming to power, one that is able to pull western Europe and America into its camp under a platform of pan-Aryan cooperation and worldwide eugenics. There wouldn't be a WW2 as we know it, but it's still likely that Japan will go to war with China at the least.
Yes, kill Hitler solves all problems. Ignoring that one, if only for the sake of originality, requires a bit of creativity and by definition some level of borderline ASBness. Not sure it is too much to ask to think the Bavarians and Prussians might choose go their own way if the country plunges into civil war. Not much different than New Englanders and Virginians...
If you want to avoid WWII and/or a hypothetical WWIII, you need the 'isms to resolve themselves in other terms. Facism and communism were not going to coexist as long as one or both were armed to the teeth. Capitalism and communism were not going to look upon each other warmly as long as each one thought the other to undermine it. No WWIII because USSR collapses. Want to avoid WWII, you need the same but with both facisism and communism.