AHC: War Plan Gold

Your challenge, should you accept it is to, with a PoD after the First World War, have war between the United States and France occur sometime between the 1920s and the 1950s. And if you can, say who you believe would win in this conflict.
 
USA wins without a doubt as long as it is just between the two of them

That said best guess would be a fascist French government appearing and doing something stupid in the Americas, what is a good question

Chances are that instead it would be part of a greater war and predicting anything beyond USA does not lose in that case is hard
 
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France tries to hold onto its African colonies--all of them--to compensate for getting reamed in WWII and begins using outright genocidal measures?

Knowing the French effort is doomed and will only benefit the Soviets in the long run, the United States intervenes militarily.

(Or maybe just provides funding and aid to the rebels and it's the French that lash out.)
 
France tries to hold onto its African colonies--all of them--to compensate for getting reamed in WWII and begins using outright genocidal measures?

Knowing the French effort is doomed and will only benefit the Soviets in the long run, the United States intervenes militarily.

(Or maybe just provides funding and aid to the rebels and it's the French that lash out.)

Surely NATO tearing itself apart benefits the Soviets more?
 
I can't see it happening after the start of WW2. Maybe France loses a very quick war with the Germany, quicker WW1, and France is embarrassed to say the least. Unwilling to challenge the Germans just quite yet, and willing to establish France as a power again, attack some South American or Central American country, Nicaragua or Mexico, and attempts to force them to create a French owned Canal. Or even a direct attack on the Panama Canal, either way, the whole point is a quick war bringing the French victory. Things don't go as planned and France loses her Caribbean colonies.
 
That said best guess would be a fascist French government appearing and doing something stupid in the America's, what is a good question

It is the Americas. Contrary to popular belief, not everything in North and South America belongs to the US:p

/joke
 
Well what about having Vichy France being more pro-Axis? If France could have been turned into something like Ustaše Croatia or Hungary or Romania in 1941 (perhaps with promises of territorial gains for France, maybe in Belgium and Africa) then we could see France declaring war on the United States and Britain. I'm sure it is ASB or nearly ASB but that is about as close I think we could get without some radical POD way before the 1920s.
 
France loses badly in WW1. The ensuing revolution mutates from leftist socialism into fascism. The new regime brutally consolidates power and builds up industry and the armed forces. The Great Depression happens roughly the same time as OTL. The US, in economic disaster, is unable to respond to French attacks in Central and South America (The French also attack Siam). Seeing it's southern "backyard" fall to revived French imperialism, the US declares war anyway. By the mid 30s, the US economy has somewhat recovered due to the growth of the military industry, but it is too little too late and the stalemates at sea and in the jungles result in the 1934 Treaty of Dublin which recognizes massively increased French dominance in Central and South America, the Caribbean, and the Philippines and the Pacific (as well as Siam and southern China). The US does however gain Saint Pierre and Miquelon. The British remained neutral throughout the conflict in fears of a revolt in Quebec and also to focus on rebuilding its struggling economy. Italy, Spain, Greece, Poland, Austria, and even Portugal eventually enter into a Fascist alliance lead by France following its stunning victory. By the end of the 30s, this ATL Axis is aligned against Britain and Germany. Austria dreams of reclaiming Yugoslavia, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia (and maybe Bavaria one day too?). Italy conquers Albania and Ethiopia. France wants to split Belgium with the Netherlands (not to mention taking over the Congo). The French also transfer some of their new conquests in the Americas to Spain and Portugal to ensure their continued support. The USSR serves as a boogeyman in the East. Bulgaria, Romania, and the Scandinavian countries remain aloof. Iran and Afghanistan become interested in aligning with the French to counter the enormous British and Soviet presences on their borders. Turkey hates the British, the Soviets, AND the French. Japan begins hoping the europeans in south east asia will slaughter eachother so that the Rising Sun can swoop in and liberate Asia in the ensuing chaos. America is shocked and demoralized by its loss of the southern Western Hamisphere to French fascist imperialism.

Hack away at this. I'm sure its full of errors somehow.:D Would make for an interesting 1930s French Fascist wank though...




wait, wait, wait... shit. i forgot the whole Germany wins WW1 part... so belgium is dominated by Germany and the congo is probably in German hands. A handful of French colonies have also probably been handed to Germany. In this ATL i suppose Germany is somehwere halfway between the Imperial Germany of WW1 and the Weimar Republic of OTL. It needed to introduce a bunch of reforms in order to survivie the Great Depression.


anyway it's all just a bunch of food for thought for the OP. goodluck making a TL
 
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Your challenge, should you accept it is to, with a PoD after the First World War, have war between the United States and France occur sometime between the 1920s and the 1950s. And if you can, say who you believe would win in this conflict.

A French intervention in the Chinese civil war in the 1920's with the French trying to extend their influence from Indo China.

The US warns France to stay out and the French who are angry about reparations and the US refusal to get involved in the League of Nations says 'merde to you'.
 
France in this time is in no state to challenge US really. Their navy is far smaller and they have Germnay in their backyard already. Plus, what's in it for them? They have hardly any conflicting interests, and if they exists, the aren't worth going to war.
 
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