AHC Vichy France joins the allies

SO waht if in late 1943-early 1944 Petain signs a secret allaince with Britain and America that says he will declare war on Germany. Remember by this time the Germans are getting their asses handed to them in Africa, and Russia, Morale is at an all time low, so what if Vichy france decides to join the alies in return for its recognition as a Valid goverment. WHat would happen.
 

Da Pwnzlord

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What would Vichy France have to offer by 1944? All France is occupied, the fleet is scuttled, and all the colonies have been taken over by the Allies. I don't think that Vichy armed forces ever fought the Allies during the liberation of France, and they'd be effectively worthless fighting the Nazis.
 
The Wehrmacht comes and kicks their ass, shoots a lot of people, and the Allies do a little better in Italy and Russia.
 

Typo

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Darlan doesn't get shot, Du Galle suffers some sort of accident.

Without the Free French as an alternative, the allies deal with Darlan as an alternative to Petain.
 
Darlan doesn't get shot, Du Galle suffers some sort of accident.

Without the Free French as an alternative, the allies deal with Darlan as an alternative to Petain.
Really doesn't meet the OP. Darlan iOTL wasn't negotiating for the Vichy government in the Hexagon, he was negotiating for a) himself, b) Vichy forces in North Africa.
 

archaeogeek

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Darlan doesn't get shot, Du Galle suffers some sort of accident.

Without the Free French as an alternative, the allies deal with Darlan as an alternative to Petain.

As mentioned above, Darlan was not negotiating for Vichy, he was trying to defect; the french admiralty knew the writing was on the wall and the Marine Nationale was on the whole the service that disliked the germans the most; Darlan's chief of staff had been the one who shot down Laborde's plans to sail with the first squadron for a retaliatory attack after mers-el-kebir.

And I'm not quite sure a coup by the MN would be terribly viable, especially since it was one of the things the germans expected (that and Vichy to lose control of its population...)
 
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