AHC - Venetian instead of Tuscan as Italian?

The thing is, Venice is just barely on the Italian peninsula, and has lots of influence from the Balkans too, it's difficult to have something thats only half-italian become the basis. Perhaps if Venice doesn't conquer Croatia and have so many Balkan citizens, but a PoD like that could make their wealth and power change.

Hmmm.... sort of a hard thing to do.
 

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Venetian— "half-italian" ? Please.

The main issue is, it's going to be a language of traders, not of rulers. As long as we're relying on the Republic of Venice as the vehicle of linguistic transmission, that is.

This brings me to my idea...
We could have an aggressively militaristic city of the veneto region conquer large parts of northern italy.

The details of when that's most likely to have happened are beyond me.
 
marraige and influence

Could marriage of the Doge's daughters(abet several) to city state rulers (Sforza, Medici, Visconti etc)helped this ?
ie Catherine Cornaro of Cyprus ... as an example .... Or even son's ( no example available at this juncture)
 
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IOTL it was the influence of Dante that made the Tuscan dialect into the "standard" version of Italian. Have Dante (or *Dante) write in Venetian instead, and you might get your OP.
 
Apparently, Tuscan was already becoming the main literary dialect even before Dante; Venetian is farther away from the major population centers of Italy and has much more incentive to go try and control the Balkan Adriatic coast than it does expanding in Italy, which is also harder (coalitions tend to form, the Emperor or Pope get involved...)
 
Apparently, Tuscan was already becoming the main literary dialect even before Dante; Venetian is farther away from the major population centers of Italy and has much more incentive to go try and control the Balkan Adriatic coast than it does expanding in Italy, which is also harder (coalitions tend to form, the Emperor or Pope get involved...)

Hm. Off the wall idea here - can we get the Papacy to relocate to Venice during the post-Roman period? Would that be enough to make the Venetian language the dominant one? (On the one hand, a Venetian Vatican; on the other, they'd do all their business in Latin anyway.)
 
Hm. Off the wall idea here - can we get the Papacy to relocate to Venice during the post-Roman period? Would that be enough to make the Venetian language the dominant one? (On the one hand, a Venetian Vatican; on the other, they'd do all their business in Latin anyway.)

Not a chance. Rome has ecclesiastical history, some of the holiest sites in Western Christendom, and a more central, far-away-from-Germany location. If Rome is taken by an outside power, the Papacy is either relocating to Constantinople or, more likely, to one of the Western kingdoms. Venice was poor for most of the Dark Ages and Early Middle Ages; it's glory days came later, during the High Middle Ages.

Tuscan has more than Florence going for it (and Rome itself did not speak that dialect). Tuscany has a high concentration of independent city states, located mostly equidistant from Milan and Rome. There was a greater amount, overall, of Tuscan-speaking burghers producing literature in Tuscan overall.

Venice is a primarily Balkan-Adriatic-Eastern Med power, just as Genoa was focused on Corsica, Sardinia, and to some extent the Eastern Med. The intellectual center of Italy was nestled between the Po River and Latium--around where Tuscany is.
 
Not a chance. Rome has ecclesiastical history, some of the holiest sites in Western Christendom, and a more central, far-away-from-Germany location. If Rome is taken by an outside power, the Papacy is either relocating to Constantinople or, more likely, to one of the Western kingdoms. Venice was poor for most of the Dark Ages and Early Middle Ages; it's glory days came later, during the High Middle Ages.

Tuscan has more than Florence going for it (and Rome itself did not speak that dialect). Tuscany has a high concentration of independent city states, located mostly equidistant from Milan and Rome. There was a greater amount, overall, of Tuscan-speaking burghers producing literature in Tuscan overall.

Venice is a primarily Balkan-Adriatic-Eastern Med power, just as Genoa was focused on Corsica, Sardinia, and to some extent the Eastern Med. The intellectual center of Italy was nestled between the Po River and Latium--around where Tuscany is.

Fiddlesticks! Oh well. Back to the drawing board.
 
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