PoeFacedKilla
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As it says, have america win in canada during 1812 and annex upper canada.
On a side note: what would the butterflies be?
On a side note: what would the butterflies be?
I see the USA obtaining all of the Red River drainage basin (lower half of OTL Manitoba and Saskatchewan).
The Aroostook matter and Oregon country will be settled the same as OTL.
…a second state south of the Rio Grande that is open to slavery? …Cuba…
Completely change the nature of the war into an opurtunistic landgrab in a napoleonic war that the British are losing hard in.
The US will need to be militarily viable for this to take place and there isn't much basis for the militia being capable of this.
As an AHC, shouldn't we try to make it possible![]()
Okay my idea for making this possible is to have the RN fail pretty bad in a few battles against the French so that a Napoleonic Sea Mammal is a real possibility and Britain withdraws its forces home for home defense
Now assuming Napoleon does nothing stupid (cough Russia cough) and is still going strong when 1812 rolls around, assuming somehow the war starts on schedule, Britain has pulled many of its Regulars out of Canada and after a few bloody campaigns the Americans are able to seize it.
With the threat of a French Invasion of Britain the British sign a peace treaty to keep the USA from taking even more (upper Canada is not all of Canada) and allow them to focus on the French and not spend troops ships and money on fighting the US
And the same thing pretty much happened to the French Army, though to an admittedly lesser degree, they fixed it given time, what is to say given time and resources they can't do the same at seaAfter the purges of the Revolution...the French Navy is simply not even remotely capable of the feat you are suggesting... all the aristocratic officers with experience have been purged by the excesses of the revolution that went before. Its now filled with revolutionary sychophants and opportunists of only mediocre calibre, less competent that even their Spanish counterparts. A fact that the Spanish are well aware of and will chafe at having to take direction from the French Admirals in overall command. Witness Trafalgar and its aftermath.
These sentences are in direct conflict with one another, at least to me.
These seem most likely, but it's equally possible the war could just happen earlier.
Well, they did have some leaders that were amazing officers. Of course...the one I'm thinking about got hit in the head by a rock when the British set off the powder magazine at York...
...poor Zebulon Pike...you're the only guy I'm interested enough to write a pre-1900 story about...
Once the British have the window to throw their forces at the Americans they are toast aand we all should recognize that.
Given that the Americans will simply have presented themselves as more of a nuisance than the British originally consigned them too.....Once the French start to crumble.. forces will be diverted to retake the terr. occupied by the Americans. Britain will not quit until they are expelled....it would be a matter of national honour having been stabbed in the back as such while pre-occupied with the French.