AHC: US as a emigrant nation

So, as everybody knows, the first few decades of the 20th century saw massive numbers of people immigrant to the United States. Your challenge is to create a situation where, for a generation at least, the US is a net source of migrants, instead of a destination. You must go farther than mass deportations, I want to see natural-born US citizens deciding to move away. Use any PoD or PoDs you want. Bonus points will be awarded if you make it interesting. So, what happens? Do legions of die-hard commies decide to move to communist Germany? Do tens of thousands of Jewish Americans move to Zionist Manchukuo? Do all of the unemployed young men decide to become ranch hands in Argentina? All of the above?:D
 
What you need is a country with a huge booming industry that is not xenophobic and does not have its own huge pool of human resources, and for the US to be in a sorry state that surpasses anything it has seen OTL.
 
The Great Depression of the 1930s never ends in the USA. The USA never enters WWII on the side of the Allies, thus never giving the USA's economy the jump start that it do desperately needed. However, the Axis are defeated in 1949 by the USSR and the U.K. Masses emigrate to the USSR and the U.K. from the 1950s to the 1960s. The USA's population is reduced tenfold by the 1990s. The U.N. is never created and the USA becomes isolationist.
 
So, as everybody knows, the first few decades of the 20th century saw massive numbers of people immigrant to the United States. Your challenge is to create a situation where, for a generation at least, the US is a net source of migrants, instead of a destination. You must go farther than mass deportations, I want to see natural-born US citizens deciding to move away. Use any PoD or PoDs you want. Bonus points will be awarded if you make it interesting. So, what happens? Do legions of die-hard commies decide to move to communist Germany? Do tens of thousands of Jewish Americans move to Zionist Manchukuo? Do all of the unemployed young men decide to become ranch hands in Argentina? All of the above?:D

I like the idea of a postponed civil war just a century after the first, ending up with the (temporary?) breakup of the country.
 
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The Great Depression of the 1930s never ends in the USA. The USA never enters WWII on the side of the Allies, thus never giving the USA's economy the jump start that it do desperately needed. However, the Axis are defeated in 1949 by the USSR and the U.K. Masses emigrate to the USSR and the U.K. from the 1950s to the 1960s. The USA's population is reduced tenfold by the 1990s. The U.N. is never created and the USA becomes isolationist.

Abd the UK+USSR manage to defeat Germany without ANY US help??????
And what about Japan?

And how many Americans would went into communist Russia - how many would even let be in???

The US an emigration country is ASB. Pehaps a few million go to Canada, South America and the rest of the world but thats it.
 
Abd the UK+USSR manage to defeat Germany without ANY US help??????

The USSR could've defeated Nazi Germany on its own, it just would've taken a bit longer. Compared to the U.K. and especially the USSR, the USA's role in the European theater of WWII was fairly miniscule. The casualties suffered by the USSR against Nazi Germany speaks for itself.
 

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Hmm, could we fiddle with the Civil War? Maybe get some type of despotism started, AND blunt westward drive so to make the USA smaller and West-less.
 
The USSR could've defeated Nazi Germany on its own, it just would've taken a bit longer. Compared to the U.K. and especially the USSR, the USA's role in the European theater of WWII was fairly miniscule. The casualties suffered by the USSR against Nazi Germany speaks for itself.

I wouldn't undervalue the role of the US. Their land forces were massive and the best equipped on the fuckin' planet Earth, if not always well trained and led; their air force over Germany proved decisive in crushing the Luftwaffe. And the Red Army adavanced to Germany on US-made trucks running on US-made gas, and marched in US-made boots, all the way eating US-made canned goods, plus what they plundered along the route.
Me defending the US, it must be Christmas!
 
The USSR could've defeated Nazi Germany on its own, it just would've taken a bit longer. Compared to the U.K. and especially the USSR, the USA's role in the European theater of WWII was fairly miniscule. The casualties suffered by the USSR against Nazi Germany speaks for itself.

Do we really have to rehash the entirity of Lend-lease for the umpteenth time to remind people casualties aren't the only measure for contribution?

Now, on the OP. Texas loses its war of independence. This stunts U.S. growth westward. A more brutal civil war ends with the U.S. divided between north and south, not as seperate countries but with the South utterly smashed beneath the Union. In the beginning of the twentieth century there is another civil war, driving millions of people south into Texas, now its own country after winning a second rebellion in the late 1890s, and driven by the discovery of oil.
 
The US has gone through a few periods where significant numbers of natural-born citizens moved to Canada (after the Revolution most notably, but also the underground railroad, settlement of the Canadian Prairies, 'Okies' fleeing the Dust Bowl, etc.).

The past decade Canada has seen a lot more American immigrants than the inverse (which were the majority through the 90s)
 
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