@John7755 يوحنا is right when he says that the caste systems rigidity is not really a reason for a perceived weakening of Indic civilisation. I’d go so far as to say that a true decline never really occurred, and that the perception of decline is largely a British colonial construction. They wanted us to think that they were saving "Hindu civilisation" and restoring it to a golden age from before those filthy iconoclastic muslims came along and ruined it all. There is massive continuity in the literature and culture of Hindus and Indians in general in the 900s and 1300s, apart from the constant adaptations that must happen as the situation changes. Likewise, it was them that introduced the tripartite division of Indian history into the "Hindu period" until 1200, the "Muslim period" until 1800 and the "modern period" thereafter, which incorrectly implies that Hinduism was relegated to political irrelevancy in the early modern era and had thus declined morally and spiritually, and it also ignores that the "Hindu period" was overflowing with Buddhist states
@Dragonspectre I hotly contest your claim that the manusmriti lead to the stagnation of social mobility in the medieval era. John has already raised good points comparing it to similar related indo Iranian systems, and id like to mention the strict racial hierarchy and anti miscegenation laws of the Arthashastra. Moreover, in the medieval eras there are innumerable examples of groups asserting higher caste status as they gain power- the Marathas started off as Bhumias and shudras but quite easily managed to be recognised as higher caste once they had military power, and their Lower caste status didn’t stop them getting it. The Rajputs themselves, the quintessential Kshatriyas, only made the jump up from vaishyas in the 12-1300s. Further, the Nayaka rulers of the 17th and18th centuries were often proud of their shudra origin, maintaining it as part of their self identity, and it most certainly didn’t stop them from maintaining very high social status.
Further, the theory of the caste system allowed for remarkable cultural stability and ability to incorporate new ruling classes without being assimilated.
@Dragonspectre I hotly contest your claim that the manusmriti lead to the stagnation of social mobility in the medieval era. John has already raised good points comparing it to similar related indo Iranian systems, and id like to mention the strict racial hierarchy and anti miscegenation laws of the Arthashastra. Moreover, in the medieval eras there are innumerable examples of groups asserting higher caste status as they gain power- the Marathas started off as Bhumias and shudras but quite easily managed to be recognised as higher caste once they had military power, and their Lower caste status didn’t stop them getting it. The Rajputs themselves, the quintessential Kshatriyas, only made the jump up from vaishyas in the 12-1300s. Further, the Nayaka rulers of the 17th and18th centuries were often proud of their shudra origin, maintaining it as part of their self identity, and it most certainly didn’t stop them from maintaining very high social status.
Further, the theory of the caste system allowed for remarkable cultural stability and ability to incorporate new ruling classes without being assimilated.
This is an illogical explanation for the fall of the Mauryans- i have never wrapped my head around the argument that a powerful, highly militarised empire, which had conquered and fended off rivals through force of arms, decided one day just to stop it, especially given that they continued to punish rebels and control their empire for a while yetThe argument that Buddhist states are less warlike falls apart very quickly (Japan, Qing, Dzungars, Ayutthaya, Toungoo Burma).Ashoka abandoned Hindu religion and embraced Buddhism. It was his work and patronage that saw the wide spread of Buddhism around the world. The Maurya dynasty was entrenched in Buddhist ideology of Ahimsa and that led to their defeat.
Just like how all Catholic states maintain Latin as their language of government, and how Pakistan’s bureaucracy is all Arabic? Religion is not the only part of the Indian cultural identity, and while there is a case to be made that Sanskrit was the recognised language of elites across the subcontinent, it has the disadvantages of subordinating it’s rulers to the brahmanical hierarchy, which can create the virtual diarchy of some nayaka states where the king or his actions were illegitimate and illegal if the locally important temples said so. This is alternate history, so I’m not going to say it’s impossible, but I think Sanskrit doesn’t have a greater chance of winning out than any given vernacular, especially not after the 1500s.But a consist Hindu dynasty will eventually lead to Sanskrit establishment
