Weren't the Tangut, whose state in part of north-western China was around until Ghenghis Khan's time, of Tibetan origin?
Why would Tibetans be willing to leave their country and serve in a foreign country like China? There's also the fact that China's enmity with Tibet by the late Tang mean that neither side exactly want that.Wasn't the problem that the Tibetans by and large were unwilling to leave Tibet to serve as bureaucrats and administrators in China? Plus their traditional leadership structure didn't fit well atop the Chinese pyramid. Other than that, I agree with Herzen, the late Tang is the best chance for a Tibetan dynasty.
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Ganesha
The challenge if you choose to accept is to have a Chinese dynasty founded by Tibetans, much like the Yuan was founded by Mongolians and the Qing was founded by Manchurians.
The later the POD, the better.
I could see maybe some Tibetans who'd been living in China for a few generations (and somewhow retaining their Tibetan identity rather than just identifying as Chinese in full) being the leaders of some revolt leading to them becoming the new Imperial Family, however they'd be a Chinese Dynasty of Tibetan descent, not a Tibetan Dynasty ruling China.
Ultimately that's the thing, China, like the United States, is incredibly good at assimilating people, so it's pretty hard to have 'Foreign Dynasties' since those people become Chinese very quickly, even the Qing, who retained their identity non-Chinese the most, were assimilated to a large degree.
Could you give some example? I have never heard of that actually, and I am interested.
That's why Chinese is an civilization, but not a nation.
It hasn't happened, at least not for any major dynasties.I was just saying an example of something that could happen, I have no idea if such a thing ever came close to happening, though I would'nt be surprised if it did at some point in the 2,000 year history of Imperial China.
It hasn't happened, at least not for any major dynasties.
The closest you can get are the Di and Qiang states in Northern China, which are debated in origin but may have an affinity with Tibetans, or the aforementioned Tanguts.