AHC: Third German Power

Let another German state rise to become a powerful nation on its own. Bonus if it becomes a great power like Austria and Prussia.
 
More successful Netherlands that absorbs a big chunk of the NW of the HRE, firmly establishing it as a "German" nation.

Bruce
 

katchen

Banned
Or a Flemish dominated Belgium which absorbs Alsace-Lorraine and goes on to take Baden-Wurtenburg and the Rhineland. and perhaps even the Ruhr. That would be a real industrial powerhouse, and one inclined toward a colonial empire too. Then again, so would a Netherlands that takes over Niedersachsen and Nordrhein-Westphalen, to use the modern state names.
 
Let another German state rise to become a powerful nation on its own. Bonus if it becomes a great power like Austria and Prussia.

Have Bavaria inherit Baden in the 1830s. It came pretty close to doing that, but somehow the succession of Baden was changed.

Alternatively, Saxony could have become another German Power, like it did in Look to the West by Thande and Tudor bulls, meet 16th century German china shop by Dr. Waterhouse.

Finally, have Hanover and Denmark get into a personal union along with Schleswig, Holstein, and Norway. Not sure if it counts, but it would be a continental power in its own right, especially if it is able to maintain Scania and other parts of Scandinavia lost to Sweden in OTL.
 
What about Westphalia emerging as an alternate German power in the West?


well Bonaparte tried to do that. Didn't work that well.

I'd guess a Bavariawank is the easiest solution. The Wittlesbachs were the other remaining great German dynasty.

Get the Wittlesbach lands reunited earlier , add Baden, and have some luck with more competent rulers .

Can't be done with one PoD,but nothing outlandish required.
 
Well I have a soft spot for Mighty Luxemburg rulings its Empire.

I guess a surviving Hanover thatnbeats back Prussia might be able to take a lead.
 
Continued strong Luxembourg dynasty would probably be at the expense of the Habsburgs who sort of moved into the vacuum after Sigismund.

PoD that might do it (subject to lots and lots of butterflies) would be for Rupert King of the Romans to go for primogeniture instead of splitting his inheritance up four ways. Then have his descendants have a bit of luck with competent princes. A few more like Frederick I would do it. That could produce a strong state around Swabia and the Rhine.
 
Continued strong Luxembourg dynasty would probably be at the expense of the Habsburgs who sort of moved into the vacuum after Sigismund.

PoD that might do it (subject to lots and lots of butterflies) would be for Rupert King of the Romans to go for primogeniture instead of splitting his inheritance up four ways. Then have his descendants have a bit of luck with competent princes. A few more like Frederick I would do it. That could produce a strong state around Swabia and the Rhine.

The Luxembourgs are hell bent on getting the thrones of Hungary and Poland aside from that they are trying to get the sympathy of the Piast dukes and they got all the rights to Poland before their ambitions were stopped by the Hussites and Jagellonians, I think if their ambitions in Poland and Hungary were stopped earlier, I think it will be better for them.
 

Cryostorm

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As said above a surviving Burgundy, that gets granted a kingdom title, would likely absorb some of the Rhineland, Switzerland, and North Germany along with the Dutch and Flemish. This would result in it being a mix of French and German populations that would mostly be German. It would also have the benefit of having a separate sphere of influence, for the most part, to the other great German powers of the east.
 
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If lotharingia continued as an independent kingdom then that could end up being a major Germanic kingdom. Even if it would be more dominated by the Low Countries than by what we normally think of as Germans.
 
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