AHC: The USA owns territory in Europe?

[ArKhan]

With any POD you want, have the United States control territory in the British Isles, or European mainland.

 

[Turek]

I could see Iceland - not very plausible, but not ASB either - but not the British Isles / the Mainland.

 

[Matteo]

With any POD you want, have the United States control territory in the British Isles, or European mainland.

Then this is not alternate history. You mean NATO ?

 

[Falecius]

There was a Sicilian separatist group who wanted to apply for US statehood after WWII. Extremely unlikely to succeed I guess.
Otherwise, something causing the US Occupation Zone in Germany to stick under US control that local opt fo statehood too. Maybe if US relations with France and Britain go hostile in 1945? Pre 1900, I can't see it happening.

 

[Will Kürlich Kerl]

With any POD you want, have the United States control territory in the British Isles, or European mainland.

The United States technically does: The US Embassy Buildings in Great Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, etc. etc...

 

[Socrates]

Iceland and Sicily do not meet the requirements of the challenge.

How about the US gets Gibraltar as a naval base, in a Diego Garcia style takeover?

 

[Tallest Skil]

The United States technically does: The US Embassy Buildings in Great Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, etc. etc...

Nope. Not US soil.

 

[Will Kürlich Kerl]

The Normandy American Cemetery and Memorial is in France and is owned by the United States OTL.

 

[LongVin]

There was a Sicilian separatist group who wanted to apply for US statehood after WWII. Extremely unlikely to succeed I guess.
Otherwise, something causing the US Occupation Zone in Germany to stick under US control that local opt fo statehood too. Maybe if US relations with France and Britain go hostile in 1945? Pre 1900, I can't see it happening.

I heard that if the first Italian post war election went communist that the US may have had considered this offer by the Sicilians in order to keep a foothold in the Med.

 

[Falecius]

I heard that if the first Italian post war election went communist that the US may have had considered this offer by the Sicilians in order to keep a foothold in the Med.

Some say that if that election were won by Communists, the US would have either invaded or supported a coup. However, I won't derail this thread any further.

 

[zoomar]

I've always been partial to Ireland. Lots of butterflies are necessary, but it would not be absolutely ASB to imagine a TL in which the USA occupies or annexes Ireland - perhaps resulting from a British defeat in either World War or from US intervention in an Irish independence war in which British actions take on a nearly genocidal appearance. This would also require a Britain that has been weakened substantially or a USA that becomes internationalist/interventionist earlier in its history, but this could be imagined.

 

[PariahNihil]

Nope. Not US soil.

You do realize that the territory of an embassy, in international law, is the territory of the country that embassy belongs too.

If the United States has an embassy in Paris, the land that embassy was built upon is part of the United States, subject to its laws, defended by it, etcetera. I know it doesn't count as what the OP is looking for, but legally, embassies are apart of their respective nations regardless of where they are in the world.

 

[Tallest Skil]

You do realize that the territory of an embassy, in international law, is the territory of the country that embassy belongs too.

I don't realize that because it isn't the case.

Simple search[/URL]]Contrary to popular belief, diplomatic missions do not enjoy full extraterritorial status and are not sovereign territory of the represented state.

Thanks, vBulletin.

 

[deathscompanion1]

I suppose Ramstein and other military bases could be made US soil?

 

[miguelrj]

I suppose Ramstein and other military bases could be made US soil?

This is the easiest path indeed! The US (de facto) have one in Cuba, the British (de jure and de facto) have a couple in Cyprus, what would have stopped the US to reserve some land in Germany for sovereign bases?

They didn't HAVE to do it but they could. Just like the British could have kept the Cyprus bases in a deal similar to Guantánamo, they kept the de jure sovereignity just because.

 

[M79]

Albania had apparently thought of trying to join the US after the Cold War. ASB for it to actually happen but still the premise might be useful. Ireland and Sicily sound like the best bets.

 

[perfectgeneral]

Defeating the Barbary Pirates might lead to an early holding in North Africa (Tunis, Tripoli and Algiers). That, in turn, might lead to something in Southern Europe? Portugal, Madiera and the Azores? The Two Sicilies?

Naples and Sicily seems more likely of the two scenarios. How about both?

How about the revolution that starts in Palermo (1848) stalls, is put down or splits from the northern states due to American involvement and support from the Barbary coast? Garibaldi wouldn't stand for it. So he must die. A border that meets at Rome (blue area south of the Tiber included in Southern Italian State(s) of the Union). The USA bosses the Med. Britain is unhappy, but trade is peaceful so reluctantly recognises the new states. North Italy unites in 1870.

History of Portugal (1834–1910)

In 1834, Joaquim António de Aguiar terminated the State sanction of religious orders, and nationalized their lands and possessions. Later referred to as Mata-Frades (Killer of Brothers), Aguiar's government took control of the convents, churches, manor homes and holdings of various sects, that had been sustained by donations of the religious faithful and placed them for sale. Unfortunately, although they hoped to place land and goods in the hands of the more disadvantaged, most of the poor did not have the capital to purchase.[9] In fact, total sales were ten times less than expected, and most holdings were purchased by speculators or existing landowners.[10]

Sold to Americans. Interest in Portuguese republicanism increases...

This has potential for all sorts of silliness.

 

[Meerkat92]

Doesn't Albania of all places have a movement to annex itself to the US? Although quite frankly the idea of the US annexing or puppetizing the Barbary Coast is fascinating enough.

 

[LHB]

Doesn't Albania of all places have a movement to annex itself to the US? Although quite frankly the idea of the US annexing or puppetizing the Barbary Coast is fascinating enough.

This would definitely be an interesting possibility, especially since it would be happening early enough in US history that it might be considered if the opportunity presented itself. I wonder how plausible that could be, having a chunk of North Africa could have some substantial impact on the US.

 

[Meerkat92]

This would definitely be an interesting possibility, especially since it would be happening early enough in US history that it might be considered if the opportunity presented itself. I wonder how plausible that could be, having a chunk of North Africa could have some substantial impact on the US.

A sharp increase in Muslim immigration, maybe? If Tunis, Algiers, and Tripolitania were all admitted independently as states (assuming their admission wouldn't get stonewalled for being Muslim), that would be three extra slave states entering the Union at a comparatively young age. Maybe that would be the first really serious factional split: the southern states pushing for the admittance of the Barbary Coast as several slave states, while the northern states try to stonewall it, both out of a desire to keep non-Christians out and to keep the balance between slave and free states.

Hmmm...I think I might have an idea for a TL for this summer...