AHC: The USA loses Guadalcanal, then what?

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Even though things like the Battle of the Kokoda Trail arguably over-qualify for sheer badassery. Add in that Guadalcanal IOTL was an indisputable US victory in a prolonged engagement and it became very easy for US historians in particular to forget New Guinea,

Snake,

I suspect that this was not helped in US memory by the fact that certain fat had to pulled out of the fire by a certain ally on the north coast - just to upset Mac.
 
Tghe sacking would have come too late to prevent the havock created by U-boats off the East Coast of America the only result would have been a slightly longer Pacific War
 
Don't forget that Mac committed the most amazing dereliction of duty- worst then anything at Pearl.

Bonehead =/= coward. The guy was nominated for a Congressional Medal of Honor during the Mexican intervention, but didn't get it because the government didn't want to encourage reckless behavior.

And are you referring to the Filipino air force getting trashed? I tried to blame Mac for that and someone here said to blame his air chief.

Of course, who appointed said air chief?
 
Bonehead =/= coward. The guy was nominated for a Congressional Medal of Honor during the Mexican intervention, but didn't get it because the government didn't want to encourage reckless behavior.

And are you referring to the Filipino air force getting trashed? I tried to blame Mac for that and someone here said to blame his air chief.

Of course, who appointed said air chief?

FOlks, Douglas MacCarthur was by no means perfect and made many mistakes, but please, let us accuse him of only that which we can acctually prove, shall we.

Did he make mistakes? yes he did quite often, but these plunders were out of arrogance and occasional racism, not pure stupidity, was he a coward, No, not when he fought the first Phillipines campaign fro mthe front lines and had to be ordered, several times by the President himself to get out before he could be captured or killed by the Japnese, an event that would have been a morale disaster.
 
Austrian held New Guinea? There is an alternate history right there. :D
"The kangaroos of Europe?" No offense intended, Richter; and I think we know each other from the kenzerco and A&A minis forums. (michael/dracos42 usernames)

If the Japanese win Guadalcanal, what is the nature of the defeat for the US? The worse case for me, none of the carriers survive (or some are under repair for a long time), a new battleship is lost, and the same or larger cruiser losses. With Ranger as the only operational fleet carrier, the USN is forced on the defensive in the Pacific.

What might change in the Atlantic with the above scenario? Does Operation Torch happen if Ranger is transferred to the Pacific? Back in the Pacific, this gives the IJN's carrier force more time to rebuild and regroup.


Sorry - should read Australian not Austrian ;) :D

Yup I am over there with the same user name...
 
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