AHC: The Soviet Union does not break up

Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to have the Soviet Union democratize, but remain as one country. No POD limit, but the USSR's democratization has to occur around a roughly similar timeframe as OTL, and it has to be at least as democratic as OTL's post-Soviet Russia (which, I admit, is setting the bar kind of low).

I was curious enough about this to add up the ex-Soviet countries' population and GDPs (using wiki data)-together, they have a population of around 289 million and a GPD (PPP) of $3.43 trillion, and would, if united, be the world's fourth largest country by population and its fifth largest economy. (I expect that, had they actually stayed united, both those numbers-especially the GDP-would be larger since some republics might have avoided OTL conflicts and other economic disruptions)

Further thoughts?
 
Okay, Gorbachav succeed for one. But, keep in mind, the Soviet Union can't quite pull a China. While they do have massive amounts of industry, they don't have the same endless manpower advantage China has, among other things. Besides, if it becomes Democratic, China's economic system isn't doable.

So, I likely see the Soviet Union remaining mostly central planning(maybe some worker cooperatives) and rather changing its rhetoric, and entering detente with the United States to end the Cold War.
 

Wolfpaw

Banned
The most recent POD would be the Union Treaty not being scuttled. That basically gives you a much more organized, stable and sane "Union State" that would include all of the former SSRs minus the Baltics, Moldova, Georgia and Armenia.
 
The most recent POD would be the Union Treaty not being scuttled. That basically gives you a much more organized, stable and sane "Union State" that would include all of the former SSRs minus the Baltics, Moldova, Georgia and Armenia.

Would it be economically as I predicated? Or something completely different?
 
Okay, Gorbachav succeed for one. But, keep in mind, the Soviet Union can't quite pull a China. While they do have massive amounts of industry, they don't have the same endless manpower advantage China has, among other things. Besides, if it becomes Democratic, China's economic system isn't doable.

So, I likely see the Soviet Union remaining mostly central planning(maybe some worker cooperatives) and rather changing its rhetoric, and entering detente with the United States to end the Cold War.

I'm not really talking about "pulling a China"-China mostly kept the old Marxist political regime in place while going capitalist economically-I'm talking about a USSR that reforms its economy and politics (to a certain extent, at least). I'd expect it to look like, well, a larger version of modern Russia (that's what I'm going for, anyway).

Would a POD with the original Soviet constitution work? Say, not giving the Republics a theoretical right to secession? It probably wouldn't mean anything for most of the Soviet Union's existence, but once communism begins to go it would prevent the union from (legally) breaking up.
 
I'm not really talking about "pulling a China"-China mostly kept the old Marxist political regime in place while going capitalist economically-I'm talking about a USSR that reforms its economy and politics (to a certain extent, at least). I'd expect it to look like, well, a larger version of modern Russia (that's what I'm going for, anyway).

Would a POD with the original Soviet constitution work? Say, not giving the Republics a theoretical right to secession? It probably wouldn't mean anything for most of the Soviet Union's existence, but once communism begins to go it would prevent the union from (legally) breaking up.

Economically, it isn't going to look like Modern Russia, and for good reason. Simply put, modern Russia is a bad transition from shock economics. Politically, it actually might look a lot better than today, because it will be more stable. However, it will be slow, and require Gorbachav changing the Soviet's focus somewhat internationally speaking.
 
Economically, it isn't going to look like Modern Russia, and for good reason. Simply put, modern Russia is a bad transition from shock economics. Politically, it actually might look a lot better than today, because it will be more stable. However, it will be slow, and require Gorbachav changing the Soviet's focus somewhat internationally speaking.

I'm aware of the role shock economics played in Russia's 1990 troubles, but I think that has a good chance of happening whether or not the USSR/Russia/whatever name it adopts maintains its territorial integrity. Its going to need to reform away from Communism and will likely seek advice from western technocrats and (more importantly) money from the IMF, at which point its going to be told to cut everything, deregulate everything, privatize everything, float its currency, and let the Magic Free Market Fairy do its Magical work. The results-well, just look at OTL.

Anyway, I think this requires either, A) in the 1920's, the Communists adopt a more unitary model, along the lines of OTL communist China, or B. the New Union Treaty, or something like it, manages to work. (A question, what POD could the Baltics, Georgia, Armenia, and Moldova sign on to such a thing? Or were they just going to break off no matter what?)
 
I'm aware of the role shock economics played in Russia's 1990 troubles, but I think that has a good chance of happening whether or not the USSR/Russia/whatever name it adopts maintains its territorial integrity. Its going to need to reform away from Communism and will likely seek advice from western technocrats and (more importantly) money from the IMF, at which point its going to be told to cut everything, deregulate everything, privatize everything, float its currency, and let the Magic Free Market Fairy do its Magical work. The results-well, just look at OTL.

Anyway, I think this requires either, A) in the 1920's, the Communists adopt a more unitary model, along the lines of OTL communist China, or B. the New Union Treaty, or something like it, manages to work. (A question, what POD could the Baltics, Georgia, Armenia, and Moldova sign on to such a thing? Or were they just going to break off no matter what?)

Actually, I don't imagine them turning to the IMF. Rather, what I see is an evolution of Gorbachav's policies to something more democratic. It will start as a way to get detente with the West. They'll try some market reforms, which may get rolled back, but they'll try again soon enough. Point is, they aren't going to go to the IMF, they know what happens when that occurs(countries like Chile.)
 
What this requires is essentially that the USSR gets its loans.
There was a big international round table, I can't remember when, where the USSR asked for loans from the G7 to help foster its transition from a centralized economy to a sort of Scandinavian Welfare State. However, the G7 countries all sort of bluffed, demanding that the USSR made the "shock treatment" transition to get the money, expecting for the USSR to collapse without the loans. They bluffed well, as this was exactly what happened.
The problem with this meeting the way I see it is that the main western leaders of the time(and I'm saying the US and the UK because the rest will essentially just shut up and listen to what these two will say) were all agressive laissez-faire advocates and conservative hawks: George Bush Sr. and Margareth Thatcher(not sure if she had already been replaced by John Major at this point, but it doesn't really matter either as he was just a toned-down Thatcher)
What you need for this to work well- Western loans to finance the USSR's transition to a modern economy, which would otherwise fail and be very messy- Is to have some seriously pragmatic Statemans that actually care about anything resembling a global order of cooperation and peace. For this to work out you would need to change the Western leadership, though I'm not sure who could take the helm. A way to almost surely have a better, more conciliatory leadership would be of course to avoid the victories of Ronald Reagan and Thatcher. This would however also mean that there would be a more conciliatory leadership from the start, which could lead to more Soviet gains in foreign policy(especially some strenghtening in South America), which could butterfly the need for a more reformist leader such as Gorbatchev and to the election of a guy like Romanov. However this would not solve the Soviet Unions economic issues and the need for this same meeting would appear only about a year or two later than OTL (1992 or 1993). If the conciliatory leaders can keep control of Western governments for that long (which I doubt) they would then help the SU in its transition. However, as you may have noticed this requires a long list of very difficult PODs.
 
What this requires is essentially that the USSR gets its loans.
There was a big international round table, I can't remember when, where the USSR asked for loans from the G7 to help foster its transition from a centralized economy to a sort of Scandinavian Welfare State. However, the G7 countries all sort of bluffed, demanding that the USSR made the "shock treatment" transition to get the money, expecting for the USSR to collapse without the loans. They bluffed well, as this was exactly what happened.
The problem with this meeting the way I see it is that the main western leaders of the time(and I'm saying the US and the UK because the rest will essentially just shut up and listen to what these two will say) were all agressive laissez-faire advocates and conservative hawks: George Bush Sr. and Margareth Thatcher(not sure if she had already been replaced by John Major at this point, but it doesn't really matter either as he was just a toned-down Thatcher)
What you need for this to work well- Western loans to finance the USSR's transition to a modern economy, which would otherwise fail and be very messy- Is to have some seriously pragmatic Statemans that actually care about anything resembling a global order of cooperation and peace. For this to work out you would need to change the Western leadership, though I'm not sure who could take the helm. A way to almost surely have a better, more conciliatory leadership would be of course to avoid the victories of Ronald Reagan and Thatcher. This would however also mean that there would be a more conciliatory leadership from the start, which could lead to more Soviet gains in foreign policy(especially some strenghtening in South America), which could butterfly the need for a more reformist leader such as Gorbatchev and to the election of a guy like Romanov. However this would not solve the Soviet Unions economic issues and the need for this same meeting would appear only about a year or two later than OTL (1992 or 1993). If the conciliatory leaders can keep control of Western governments for that long (which I doubt) they would then help the SU in its transition. However, as you may have noticed this requires a long list of very difficult PODs.

This is why I think the Soviet Union has to fix itself, with no outside support to some extent. Before it can get outside help, it needs to transition at least partially on its own.
 
This is why I think the Soviet Union has to fix itself, with no outside support to some extent. Before it can get outside help, it needs to transition at least partially on its own.
The main problem is that transitions cost at least some money, which is very hard to get when your country is growing between 1% and 0% per annum.
This could be done with some geological differences. If the USSR had EVEN MORE minerals than it already had, it could have built up more reserves to spend in the transition.
 
The main problem is that transitions cost at least some money, which is very hard to get when your country is growing between 1% and 0% per annum.
This could be done with some geological differences. If the USSR had EVEN MORE minerals than it already had, it could have built up more reserves to spend in the transition.

Actually, I have read in a TL a way it can do it internally.

1. Open some things up to markets, because a combination of cheap labor and unexploited markets would be mega profits for companies investing, along with allowing economic growth for the Soviet Union.
2. Find a way to withdraw from the arms race. Or at least make it more efficient by liquidizing many old weapons systems. With the cash gained from that can help get the cash. For withdrawing, a suggestion I saw was to change its foreign policy from worldwide Communism to something else, allowing it to enter detente.
3. Have a timeline where Cherynobl doesn't happen. That cost way too much money, and ate up too many resources. This is a POD that DOES need to happen.
 

Wolfpaw

Banned
A question, what POD could the Baltics, Georgia, Armenia, and Moldova sign on to such a thing? Or were they just going to break off no matter what?
The Baltics are lost and have been since the 1940s. I could see Moldova sticking on. Hell, look at the Transnistria--clearly there was some pro-Communist sentiment.

The Caucasus were being torn apart by ethnic tensions, but the majorities (Georgians and Armenians) wanted the Soviets out. Nationalism had been bubbling there since the late '70s. Only the Azeri SSR wanted to stick with the Union.

A good first step would be having somebody other than Gorbachyov at the helm. He was the most incompetent Russian ruler since Nicholas II.
 
The Baltics are lost and have been since the 1940s. I could see Moldova sticking on. Hell, look at the Transnistria--clearly there was some pro-Communist sentiment.

The Caucasus were being torn apart by ethnic tensions, but the majorities (Georgians and Armenians) wanted the Soviets out. Nationalism had been bubbling there since the late '70s. Only the Azeri SSR wanted to stick with the Union.

A good first step would be having somebody other than Gorbachyov at the helm. He was the most incompetent Russian ruler since Nicholas II.

Who other than Gorbachev would have initiated perestrioka and glasnost, though? From what I've read of his tenure, he was stuck trying to do six things at once-try to manage the economic instability caused by the transition, try to placate radicals like Yelsin, try to placate hardliners like the people that launched the August coup, try to keep ethnic tensions and separtism from spiraling out of control, and try to deal with Western leaders. I'd agree that he basically failed-in the sense that he couldn't keep the Union together and ultimately lost control of the political situation-but I don't think that proves his "incompetence".

And as I asked in my first sentence, had someone other than Gorby been at the top, would it even have started moving away from communism in the first place?
 
Who other than Gorbachev would have initiated perestrioka and glasnost, though? From what I've read of his tenure, he was stuck trying to do six things at once-try to manage the economic instability caused by the transition, try to placate radicals like Yelsin, try to placate hardliners like the people that launched the August coup, try to keep ethnic tensions and separtism from spiraling out of control, and try to deal with Western leaders. I'd agree that he basically failed-in the sense that he couldn't keep the Union together and ultimately lost control of the political situation-but I don't think that proves his "incompetence".

And as I asked in my first sentence, had someone other than Gorby been at the top, would it even have started moving away from communism in the first place?

The problem is this. If the Soviet Union is to be preserved, to some extent, it can't move away from Communism. It will reform it, like market reforms, but it isn't going to transition out of it. It can't go the China route, and it can't do shock economics, so it will be stuck in a bizarre limbo of still having a significant amount of central planning, with some market reforms.

Politically speaking though, that doesn't mean it can't be democratic.
 
If its greater resources you are after to tide the USSR over through reforms to avoid collapse, then might I suggest A POD where the Soviet Union stays in Manchuria after driving the Japanese out. Fighting alongside the chinese against Japan, Together with A policy of working with them to assist in reconstruction could be the building blocks for A Manchurian SSR. A policy of mandatory relocations of people from all over the Soviet union under the auspices of sharing skills & knowledge could help too.
 
If its greater resources you are after to tide the USSR over through reforms to avoid collapse, then might I suggest A POD where the Soviet Union stays in Manchuria after driving the Japanese out. Fighting alongside the chinese against Japan, Together with A policy of working with them to assist in reconstruction could be the building blocks for A Manchurian SSR. A policy of mandatory relocations of people from all over the Soviet union under the auspices of sharing skills & knowledge could help too.

Too much of a drain population wise after WW2, otherwise, they probably would've done it.

Actually, lets go for an even EARLIER POD. Say Stalin mobilizes before the Nazis attack, allowing them to beat back the Nazi invasion. Then, because of better momentum among other things, they get all the way into Europe, even to France. They aren't worn out like OTL, and they become a superpower.

For becoming democratic, eventually the system must make reforms, say in the 1950s, over such a massive amount of territory. When that occurs, you see the beginnings of Democracy. Eventually, by today in OTL, Soviet Union becomes democratic.

Granted, this has huge butterflies, but hey, there's an idea.:p
 
Well I can think of a couple of related scenarios which would involve at most a few PODs (some as a result of the initial POD). Both scenarios would revolve around a POD in 1969 with Brezhnev being assassinated and Andropov getting a kidney transplant with the drug cyclosporin (which was new in the 1980s).

Scenario 1 would go as follows:

- Brezhnev (General Secretary) is assassinated on January 22, 1969 (main POD).

- Nikolai Podgorny (Chairman of the Presidium since 1965) is elected the new General Secretary after winning over Fyodor Kulakov and Andrei Kirilenko and assuring Mikhail Suslov that there would be no straying from the communist doctrine as advocated by Suslov and that there would be no attempt to combine the two positions with that of Chairman of the Council of Ministers (Suslov was against one-man rule and advocated collective leadership; he was instrumental in the separation of the 3 roles (Chairman of the Council of Ministers, General Secretary of the CPSU and Chairman of the Presidum ) and prevented Brezhnev in OTL from becoming Chairman of the Council of Ministers in 1970).

- From 1969 to 1980 Podogorny as both Chairman of the Presidium and General Secretary and Alexei Kosygin as Chairman of the Council of Ministers manage to work together enough (despite their frequent disputes and arguments) to give more impetus to the 1965 reform program (adjusting it after some minor reviews in 1969 before it ended in 1971) and launching the 1973 economic reform which in this TL is fully implemented and more closely follows Esvei Liberman's theories. By the time the 1973 reform program ends in 1977 things are better off in TTL's USSR than in OTL's USSR but the USSR is by no means a more fantastic place to live than the USA.

- In 1980 Nikolia Tikhonov replaces Kosygin (who dies) as Premier (Chariman of the Council of Ministers). He only works with Podgorny for about two years before the latter's retirement in 1982 as a result of cancer. There is some stagnation of the Soviet economy between 1980 and 1982 with Tikhonov in power as Premier.

- In 1982 the leadership is again split amongst 3 persons with Tikhonov as Premier, Yuri Andropov as General Secretary and Vasili Kuznetsov as acting Presidium Chairman. With Suslov dead (from January 1982), Andropov is able to take up the position of Presidium Chairman without much ideological opposition although Kuznetsov continues to act in his stead as Presidium Chairman whenever he is too ill.

- Sometime between 1982 and 1984 Andropov gets a kidney transplant while using the drug cyclosporin - let's use 1983 after cyclosporin's approval (second main POD). This DOES NOT give Andropov everlasting life of course, but could prolong his life by about 4 years (which is the average prolongation gained for 75 years old who have a kidney transplant).

- Andropov revives the 1979 reform (which stagnated between 1980 and 1982) as part of a general series of reforms in 1982. There is some stagnation again in late 1983 to mid 1984 as Andropov undergoes his kidney transplantation and recovers, but the reforms pick up again in 1984 and take off in 1985 with Tikhonov's replacement by Heydar Aliyev (OTL's long serving Azeribajani president whom Andropov had favoured to become Premier following Aliyev's success with the economy of Azerbaijan).

- With Aliyev as Premier and Andropov as General Secretary and Presidium Chairman a new reform effort is launched to coincide with the Twelfth Five-Year Plan (1986-1990). Andropov meanwhile is busy grooming younger successors including Mikhail Gorbachev and Grigory Romanov who are seen as the top two contenders in any race to replace Andropov when he finally retires or dies. Ultimately Andropov heads off any bruising contest by getting Romanov to permanently replace him as Presidium Chairman in 1986 (so as to allow him to focus more on his work as General Secretary) and then heavily comes down (publicly) in favour of Gorbachev to replace him as General Secretary when he retires from the post or dies.

- Andropov dies in 1988 and Gorbachev is elected to replace him as General Secretary. Although initially competitors, Gorbachev and Romanov manage to work together although they have differences of opinion about political reform. With the "team" of Aliyev, Romanov and Gorbachev the 1986 reform and Twelfth Five-Year plan manage to exceed expectations in 1990 (and also in late 1988/early 1989). Gorbachev wishes to move further with the reforms for the next Five-Year Plan but experiences opposition from hardliners in the CPSU who think reforms have gone too far. Gorbachev decides to circumvent them by introducing the concept of "internal democracy" within the CPSU system and Soviet legislative system alongside "glasnost" in late 1988. This results in the hardliners being swept in elections to Congress of People's Deputies in 1989 (just over 80% of the deputies are Gorbachev-endorsed). Romanov and Aliyev were not in favour of this move by Gorbachev, but did not oppose it as they had recognized that their reforms would need to be unhindered by the hardliners (Romanov and Aliyev would have preferred to basically crush the unreformist hardliners and get some of the other hardliners who were neutral on economic reform but against political reform to back the "team").

- By 1994 a lot of change has happened or is about to happen as Aliyev resigns in 1993 over differences between himself and Gorbachev (Aliyev is replaced by Nikolai Ryzhkov) and the glasnost and "internal democracy" reforms lead to more demands for wider democracy. The Congress of People's Deputies itself has divided into factions (even though all members are officially CPSU members) with a governing pro-Gorbachev faction and various opposition factions composed of hardliners, liberals and nationalists. The 1994 elections saw Aliyev giving support to a group of rival reformers. The results were a majority of pro-Gorabachev deputies (about 53%) with the next largest group being the pro-Aliyev (and pro-Romanov though Romanov keeps aloof from the controversy splitting the party) with about 33% of the deputies. The rest of the deputies are liberals, nationalists and true hardliners.

- Between 1993 and 1996 the CPSU monopoly on power was ended (first in a party conference and then at the 29th Congress of the CPSU in 1996) and the CPSU itself split as a result of Gorbachev's attempt at the end of the Congress to restore the original name of the Social Democratic and Labour Party (though not the full original name which had the word "Russian" in it, but based off that name with the proposed name of "The Social Democratic and Labour Party of the Soviet Union" or SDLP(SU) for short). The Aliyev-faction opposed this and attempted to initiate the expulsion of the Gorbachev-faction (which failed) and then declared itself to be the continuation of the CPSU after the slightly larger Gorbachev faction managed to vote through the name change. The absolute hardliners who were opposed to both factions split off as the Workers' Party of the Soviet Union. Protests in the Baltic States in favour of independence and the changing nature of the Soviet system led to the SDLP government proposing a new Constitution to be accompanied by a two-part referendum which would ask first for the Union's citizens in the various republics to determine if they wanted continued unity and then secondly if they accepted the new constitution. The initiative managed to pass with a strange alliance of nationalists (who were hoping for independence), SDLP deputies and liberals (who wanted to ride the wave of popularity for a new, openly democratic constitution).

- A 1996 Union-wide referendum on the continuation of the Union as a democratic country, with guaranteed autonomy for the republics and social welfare for all was passed in all republics save the Baltics by majorities (in most cases by large majorities about 75-90%). The Baltics alone voted for independence, while in Moldavia and Georgia the majorities were smaller (about 50-60%). Union-wide it was passed by a majority of over 75% and the new constitution was also passed by a similar majority. In 1996 the Baltic States received independence and the new Union Treaty and Constitution was signed by the leaders of the remaining republics, delegates of the constitutional convention which drafted both the new treaty and the constitution and various deputies of the Congress of People's Deputies. As a result of the new Constitution, the post of Presidium Chairman was converted into the post of President of the Soviet Union and the post of Chairman of the Council of Ministers was officially re-titled as "Premier" (with the continued description and title of "chairman of the cabinet of ministers"). Ryzhkov had no need to seek a renewed mandate as Premier under the new Constitution as he was already a member of the current Congress of People's Deputies (which was set to continue until 1999 when new elections were due) but the post of President required new elections starting immediately (this was because as a result of the democratization, Gorbachev was now without any official power in the new Soviet Union as he was general secretary of the SDLP but the the SDLP had no official role in the governance of the Soviet Union and he hoped to get Romanov's job so provisions were written into the constitution for a popularly elected president with elections occurring within 6 months of the adoption of the constitution). Romanov was now openly with the (new) CPSU and so the first Presidential elections of the Soviet Union saw Mikhail Gorbachev (SDLP) facing off against Grigory Romanov (CPSU) and Gennady Zyuganov (Worker's Party or WPSU) and Vladimir Zhirinovsky (Liberal Democratic Party)..........



Scenario 2 would be very similar. The only internal difference being:

- In 1969 Fyodor Kulakov replaces Brezhnev as General Secretary after receiving the back of the other persons who were both in the Secretariat and the Politburo (Andrei Kirilenko and Mikhail Suslov) and the support of Podgorny.

- Kulakov dies in 1978 and is replaced by Podgorny who is General Secretary and Chairman of the Presidium from 1978 to 1982




Other differences which may result from scenario 2 would be no halting the reversal of Dubček's reforms and his removal as secretary in April 1969 in Czechoslovakia. I suspect Podgorny would be more sympathetic to Dubček and attempted a kind of partial rehabilitation officially (although Dubček probably needed no rehabilitation unofficially). So in scenario 1 the 1969 Czechoslovak Hockey Riots probably don't occur as Dubček isn't removed and the reversal of his reforms is halted (and in some cases some of his reforms which may have coincided with Kosygin and Podgorny's ideas would be re-implemented). Certainly not all Soviet leaders were in favour of the invasion in the first place - Suslov, Kosygin, Podgorny and Voronov (or Mazurov - sources differ) were the 4 who voted to oppose the invasion in the Politburo (7 voted in favour) and they alongside Andropov and Ponomarev were apparently opposed to it out of fear of what it would do to Soviet relations with the wider world and eastern Europe, and Mikhail Ilyich Kazakov (Warsaw Pact chief of staff before the invasion) and some other military brass were opposed to in on the grounds that it would have negative repercussions on the Czechoslovak army which they viewed as key within the Warsaw Pact. Once it had happened, a different leader other than Brezhnev may have been more inclined to try to repair the damage whilst still saving face.



As for other events and places in both scenarios:


Afghanistan

Afghanistan could:

(a) not have Soviet intervention. Kosygin was opposed to it if I remember some of what I've read (and I think Kirilenko and Gromyko was too), as were other Soviet leaders but the USSR was slowly drawn into intervening. Without Brezhnev the intervention might never have gained enough approval to go ahead and the Soviet leaders might have more or less abandoned the Afghans as "heretics". Andropov and Ustinov were in favour but this was due to fear that the the new Afghan leader (Amin) would end up switching support to the Americans and providing them with facilities to spy on the USSR and also denying the Soviets the existing facilities then in use. Without Brezhnev to be persuaded, an invasion might have been delayed for a few years (until 1982 when Andropov comes to power), but by then the potential problem that Andropov and Ustinov had feared may have been resolved in some other way (possibly with Soviet special forces and super-reliable Afghan allies killing Amin in a covert operation that would look like an accident such as a helicopter or airplane crash or perhaps his motorcade is blown up and the blame placed on the rebels). If this happened, Andropov might not see the need for an invasion at all by the time he comes to power in 1982.

(b) still have had Soviet intervention, but Charlie Wilson's drunk driving accident (prior to his trip to Pakistan and deeper involvement in the Afghanistan issue) is worse and he either (i) dies or (ii) ends up injured and gets arrested. The US still supplies the Afghan rebels, but not at the same kind of level as in OTL and the Soviets still lose men, but don't find Afghan resistance as troublesome (perhaps Pillsbury's efforts to get Stingers to the rebels doesn't happen in the face of more bureaucratic resistance as a result of Wilson not being there to promote the Afghan effort). Eventually they (the Soviets) withdraw after building up the forces of their local allies and implementing Soviet style reforms which manage to win over some (but by no means all or even the majority) of the locals - their local allies then have enough local support and weaponry to continue more or less "governing" Afghanistan in the face of widespread resistance.



Chernobyl

Chernobyl may or may not happen.



Czechoslovakia

Czechoslovakia probably would not split in either scenario. Without the late 1980s/early 1990s rapid rise in nationalism and rapid collapse of communism coupled with Soviet reforms emanating out to the Warsaw Pact/Comecon allies, Czechoslovakia is likely to remain united, probably with a similar unity referendum as happened in the USSR (which itself may be renamed as the "Union of Soviet Democratic Republics" or "Union of Sovereign Soviet Republics").



Yugoslavia

Yugoslavia may or may not break up, but without the nationalist forces sweeping Eastern Europe in the late 1980s and the collapse of communism at the same time it is possible that Yugoslavia avoids a complete breakup and may in fact remain completely united. Certainly without the distractions at home I would expect the Soviet leadership to get involved in trying to broker resolution to the various crises in Yugoslavia which could result in success and either the removal of Milosevic and other nationalists or in those persons not being as inflammatory. Perhaps the Soviets attempt to encourage the Yugoslavs to ditch the 1974 constitution and work out compromises (such as one man, one vote in the party system for Yugoslavia at the federal level in return for more autonomy for the republics and for the provinces to retain most of their autonomy but to no longer have a veto over Serbia level legislation except insofar as it applies within the bounds of the province and the formation of new autonomous provinces in the other republics for minorities there) for a new constitution. With Andropov still around until 1988 it is also possible that the West may have given Yugoslavia a bit more slack economically (so no pressure on Yugoslavia economically and perhaps more loans to help keep it afloat and able to repay the IMF). The reformed USSR might also have extended further loans (to relieve pressure on Yugoslavia from the IMF and give it breathing room in hopes that Yugoslavia would be persuaded to fully commit to the Soviet bloc) and a better economy with less debt-pressure (though not necessarily less debt) might have made the richer republics of Slovenia and Croatia less resentful of the poorer republics as their economies might continue to grow. That kind of climate might have made compromise easier.

EDIT: Although the USSR cannot go "the China route" because it doesn't have as large a population, I think the USSR could become "Europe's China" because relative to Europe it has a large population which would probably work for wages lower than can be found in Western Europe. If the USSR reforms itself successfully in the 1970s then it would have the advantage of a large, well-educated population that would work for lower wages than in the West and it would be able to use this advantage over China until China begins to really open up to the West in the 1990s (thereafter China's manpower advantage would trump the USSR's education advantage in getting more of the world's business). Even after that though I would expect the USSR to be a "China" to Europe as long as it can compete with China in terms of relative wages, quality of goods, etc.
 
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Thinking a bit more on Yugoslavia, this is probably what a surviving Yugoslavia *might* look like if rewrote the constitution in 1984 and got some external support as well as if there was some compromise (more autonomy; one man, one vote in the party system; the complete unification of the republic parties at the federal level and a multi-party system instead):

There would be the 6 republics but also 8 autonomous provinces which would not have veto power over legislation from their republics except within the limits of their provinces. The 8 autonomous provinces would be Vojvodina, Kosovo, Romanija/Eastern Herzegovina, Neretva/Western Herzegovina, Bosnian Krajina and NE Bosnia, Kninska Krajina and Western Slavonia, Bosnian Posavina, and Eastern Slavonia. Under this system the Serbs would not dominate (with about 40% of the population they would need to gain the support of other groups to pass legislation at the federal level and with Serbia, Montenegro, Vojvodina and 2 Serbian majority autonomous provinces in Bosnia and Croatia each they could only count on 7 (at most) out of 14 entities in any vote that would require the entities to have an equal vote and there would be lots of autonomy for all the entities). At the same time the Serbs could not be dominated or feel they were being dominated as seemed to happen under the 1974 constitution (when two autonomous provinces in Serbia were given autonomy almost on the level of republics with Vojvodina being a majority Serbian area).

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