AHC: The Religion of Isis Takes Over

I believe you mean Ave Regina Coelorum Hail the Queen of the Heavens.
Salve Regina Coelitum would mean Save the Queen from Heaven (though it should be Salve Regina Coelita...) :D
 

Skokie

Banned
I believe you mean Ave Regina Coelorum Hail the Queen of the Heavens.
Salve Regina Coelitum would mean Save the Queen from Heaven (though it should be Salve Regina Coelita...) :D

Nope. It's salve regina coelitum. It's usually rendered in English as "Hail holy Queen enthroned above."

Here is the full hymn (same as the one in Sister Act, only in the original Latin):

Salve Regina coelitum, O Maria!
Sors unica terrigenum, O Maria!
Jubilate, Cherubim,
Exsultate, Seraphim!
Consonante perpetim:
Salve, Salve, Salve Regina.

Mater misericordiae, O Maria!
Dulcis parens clementiae, O Maria!

Jubilate, Cherubim,
Exsultate, Seraphim!
Consonante perpetim:
Salve, Salve, Salve Regina.​
 
Nope. It's salve regina coelitum. It's usually rendered in English as "Hail holy Queen enthroned above."

Here is the full hymn (same as the one in Sister Act, only in the original Latin):

Salve Regina coelitum, O Maria!
Sors unica terrigenum, O Maria!
Jubilate, Cherubim,
Exsultate, Seraphim!
Consonante perpetim:
Salve, Salve, Salve Regina.

Mater misericordiae, O Maria!
Dulcis parens clementiae, O Maria!

Jubilate, Cherubim,
Exsultate, Seraphim!
Consonante perpetim:
Salve, Salve, Salve Regina.​

catholicism adopted a lot of things to help converters feel comfortable. christmas being the same as the roman solstice celebration, and halloween from the irish day of the dead.

it wouldn't surprise me if mary was put on the pedestal she is on by catholicism because they needed to convert isis worshipers, wouldnt want to make/keep them as enemies in rome.
 
Wouldn't a Rome that has established a cult of Isis increase the odds of Persia going Nestorian or adopting another school of Christianity? I also feel that a Isis dominated Rome would probably end up treating Christians in a similar manner that they would treat post revolt jews. That might include preventing Christens from entering Jerusalem, which would be bad if a Christian dominated Persia develops something of a pilgrimage tradition. Holy wars between Rome and Persia over Jerusalem?

Also, if you see an Islam equivalent come out of Arabia, could you see the Persians try to cooperate with the Islamic invaders instead of their poorly executed effort to cooperate with the Byzantium against them in OTL.
 
Nope. It's salve regina coelitum. It's usually rendered in English as "Hail holy Queen enthroned above."

Here is the full hymn (same as the one in Sister Act, only in the original Latin):
Salve Regina coelitum, O Maria!
Sors unica terrigenum, O Maria!
Jubilate, Cherubim,
Exsultate, Seraphim!
Consonante perpetim:
Salve, Salve, Salve Regina.

Mater misericordiae, O Maria!
Dulcis parens clementiae, O Maria!

Jubilate, Cherubim,
Exsultate, Seraphim!
Consonante perpetim:
Salve, Salve, Salve Regina.​

Strange as Salve is Latin for Save not Hail (which is Ave).

Looking it up it appears there is one called Ave Regina Caelorum which is sung up to Good Friday. And another called Regina Caeli.
Typical confusing Catholics :rolleyes:
 
Wouldn't a Rome that has established a cult of Isis increase the odds of Persia going Nestorian or adopting another school of Christianity? I also feel that a Isis dominated Rome would probably end up treating Christians in a similar manner that they would treat post revolt jews. That might include preventing Christens from entering Jerusalem, which would be bad if a Christian dominated Persia develops something of a pilgrimage tradition. Holy wars between Rome and Persia over Jerusalem?

Also, if you see an Islam equivalent come out of Arabia, could you see the Persians try to cooperate with the Islamic invaders instead of their poorly executed effort to cooperate with the Byzantium against them in OTL.

If Isiac Rome becomes more hostile toward Christianity, I could imagine Christians fleeing to Persia for safety. A Christian Persia vs. an Isiac Rome might be interesting.

And Christian Persians forming an "Abrahamic Alliance" against Isiac Rome is another interesting idea.
 
id be interested about the state of germania and hibernia. will they convert to christianity, isis, or simply remain as they were
 
id be interested about the state of germania and hibernia. will they convert to christianity, isis, or simply remain as they were

How Christian was Roman Britain before the Saxons plowed it under?

If Isisization follows the same pattern Christianization did in OTL, that means Isiac believers from Britain could get into Ireland as Christians did OTL.

However, if the belief patterns and/or butterflies result in something different, all bets are off.

Germania might be a different matter. They might adopt the cult of Isis (or just add her to their pantheons) as part of the Roman cultural package, but since they're outside of the Roman cultural sphere, they might be influenced by differently.

How did Arianism get into the Germanic tribes OTL? If this was before Christianity became the state cult, we might see the Germanic tribes becoming Arians per OTL.
 
id be interested about the state of germania and hibernia. will they convert to christianity, isis, or simply remain as they were

If we are assuming a totally Isiac Rome and a Christian Persia, then any Christianization of Europe would have to go over the Caucuses, and have a conversion of the nomads living in what becomes Russia before Germania would have a constant contact with Christian missionaries. So one might assume that geography would favor Isisization, but hey, crazy things have happened in history.
 
If we are assuming a totally Isiac Rome and a Christian Persia, then any Christianization of Europe would have to go over the Caucuses, and have a conversion of the nomads living in what becomes Russia before Germania would have a constant contact with Christian missionaries. So one might assume that geography would favor Isisization, but hey, crazy things have happened in history.

On the other hand, Roman Christians facing the increasing Isiacization of their society might start sending missionaries to the lands outside the Empire, figuring they might find greener pastures there.
 

Skokie

Banned
Strange as Salve is Latin for Save not Hail (which is Ave).

As I understand it, salve and ave can be rather generic greetings, like "Hey!" or "Good day"—only, in ecclesisastical Latin, in an extremely formal sense, like we don't really have in contemporary English, except for perhaps "God save you" and, well, "Hail!"
 
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As I understand it, salve and ave can be rather generic greetings, like "Hey!" or "Good day"—only, in ecclesisastical Latin, in an extremely formal sense, like we don't really have in contemporary English, except for perhaps "God save you" and, well, "Hail!"

Now that I've had some sleep I completely agree :eek:.
I forgot about the semantic connection between healthy (or hale) and safe.
So it makes complete sense for Salve to mean Hail!
 

Philip

Donor
How did Arianism get into the Germanic tribes OTL?
Primarily through the efforts of Ulfilas. Ordained and commissioned by Eusebius of Nicomedia, he began the conversion of the Goths. Without the protection of Constantius II, his mission might have failed. He is credited with the creation of the Gothic Alphabet as well.

If this was before Christianity became the state cult, we might see the Germanic tribes becoming Arians per OTL.
After the Constantine/Council of Nicaea, before Theodosius/Edict of Thessalonica. He was probably consecrated c. 340.

On the other hand, Roman Christians facing the increasing Isiacization of their society might start sending missionaries to the lands outside the Empire, figuring they might find greener pastures there.
Accounts differ, but there have been suggestions that this was Eusebius' motivation (replacing 'Isiacization' with 'Nicaeanization', of course).
 
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