AHC: the Philippines properly get independence

samcster94

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What are the effects of the Philippines getting independence in 1899(similar to OTL Cuba, with U.S. troops being allowed to intervene)??? In OTL, they had a serious republican movement and proclaimed independence, but were put down in a brutal war.
 
What are the effects of the Philippines getting independence in 1899(similar to OTL Cuba, with U.S. troops being allowed to intervene)??? In OTL, they had a serious republican movement and proclaimed independence, but were put down in a brutal war.
Have bonifacio win against aguinaldo..
 
I think Bonifacio winning against Aguinaldo is required because Bonifacio is the person who gives Katipunan or revolution the mass support and morale without him the support of katipunan will wither in the masses.
 
For one, it'd be a majority Spanish-speaking country in TTL 2017. Like Cuba, it'd likely remain aligned to the United States, if only to protect from being invaded and conquered by like Japan.
 
For one, it'd be a majority Spanish-speaking country in TTL 2017. Like Cuba, it'd likely remain aligned to the United States, if only to protect from being invaded and conquered by like Japan.
Bonifacio winning is a nativist one, the spanish colonists get expelled..the question is how would a state expelling and genociding its former colonists would fare?

I think Bonifacio winning against Aguinaldo is required because Bonifacio is the person who gives Katipunan or revolution the mass support and morale without him the support of katipunan will wither in the masses.

A Bonifacio's Philippines would be renamed as Haring Bayang Katagalugan..
 
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President Bryan WIs usually include this idea. However I've never seen it taken any further. If nothing else a post-colonial native republic in Asia in 1899 is going to have some interesting knock-on effects and probably put Washington on the British, French and Dutch shit lists.
 
Have General Luna rally the Philippines and seize Manila before the Americans. That'd allow the Republic enough firm ground to be recognized by other powers. :p
 
For one, it'd be a majority Spanish-speaking country in TTL 2017. Like Cuba, it'd likely remain aligned to the United States, if only to protect from being invaded and conquered by like Japan.

All things considered, I think the Philippines would be more bilingual, actually. Unless the ilustrados are able to establish a mass education system, most would still speak the vernacular alongside the national lingua franca. :p
 
Have General Luna rally the Philippines and seize Manila before the Americans. That'd allow the Republic enough firm ground to be recognized by other powers. :p

All things considered, I think the Philippines would be more bilingual, actually. Unless the ilustrados are able to establish a mass education system, most would still speak the vernacular alongside the national lingua franca. :p

The mass support or support of the masses is needed not just illustrados supporting it..
 
The mass support is needed not just illustrados supporting it..

You're ignoring the fact that Luna did have the support of the people: certainly, he had enough of it that Aguinaldo was harassed and betrayed on his flight north by his supporters among the Ilocanos. :p

He's in the best position to be our country's Cincinnatus. Or Caesar. Had he been less trusting of Aguinaldo, had he not served as the Belisarius to Aguinaldo's Justinian, the Philippines would have gained its freedom. Or at least, its freedom would be far more likely.
 

samcster94

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President Bryan WIs usually include this idea. However I've never seen it taken any further. If nothing else a post-colonial native republic in Asia in 1899 is going to have some interesting knock-on effects and probably put Washington on the British, French and Dutch shit lists.
Where does Imperial Japan come into play.This was Meiji era though, which was far saner and restrained relative to the early Showa era(so, much of the stuff done in WWII would be alien to them at this point).
 
You're ignoring the fact that Luna did have the support of the people: certainly, he had enough of it that Aguinaldo was harassed and betrayed on his flight north by his supporters among the Ilocanos. :p

He's in the best position to be our country's Cincinnatus. Or Caesar. Had he been less trusting of Aguinaldo, had he not served as the Belisarius to Aguinaldo's Justinian, the Philippines would have gained its freedom. Or at least, its freedom would be far more likely.
It is not Luna whose support is needed it is the nativists led by Bonifacio, after Bonifacio's faction is alienated the rebellion got weak..If Luna goes to Bonifacio's faction he needs to shift his alliance to the elites or the pro-spanish to the nativist faction which means he needs to support the complete expulsion of the Spanish.
 
Where does Imperial Japan come into play.This was Meiji era though, which was far saner and restrained relative to the early Showa era(so, much of the stuff done in WWII would be alien to them at this point).

Well Taiwan has been Japanese since 1895 and they have the Southern Expansion Policy, aiming to gain influence in the Pacific and Southeast Asia. If the United States does give the Philippines genuine independence there's going to be a diplomatic struggle for influence. Given the set-up unless the Americans treat the Filipinos like (relative) equals, some competent Japanese diplomacy could probably see Manila swing towards Tokyo for protection. The Philippines in such a situation is most likely a client state but far from the de facto colonies like Taiwan and Korea. They might change how the Japanese deal with their Asian 'brothers' at least in seeing backing native rebellions in places too distant (Indonesia, Indochina) to be easily taken over. They did do this IOTL to some extent but the example of the Philippines might encourage it much more.

EDIT: Just on the ole Wiki, Japan had a consulate in Manila, their first in the region, since 1888 as part of their SEP so yeah I think its safe to say if an isolationist like Bryan frees the Philippines only to clear off Tokyo will happily sweep in.
 
I think the US could make the Philippines a protectorate, so defacto independence is likely in order to protect them from Japan and other European powers. Of Course basing rights will be needed by the US.
 
Note that unless there is a genuine program of land reform (aka the Religious Orders' scandalously large estates are turned into smallholdings staffed by their former tenants), an independent Philippines will be just like any Latin American country.

With a genuine program of land reform, however, the Philippines might become a fairly prosperous state.
 
Note that unless there is a genuine program of land reform (aka the Religious Orders' scandalously large estates are turned into smallholdings staffed by their former tenants), an independent Philippines will be just like any Latin American country.

With a genuine program of land reform, however, the Philippines might become a fairly prosperous state.
Given just who was running the rebellion, it's likely that the only folks that will lose their lands are, yes, the Church, maybe a few loyalist families Which would probably outside of, say, Ilocos, lead to land concentrated in even fewer hands than before independence.
 
Given just who was running the rebellion, it's likely that the only folks that will lose their lands are, yes, the Church, maybe a few loyalist families Which would probably outside of, say, Ilocos, lead to land concentrated in even fewer hands than before independence.

Then we're doomed, independence or no independence.
 
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