AHC: The Byzantine Cliche

Asami

Asami

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I'm sure I'm not the first or last to do something like this, but I pose a challenge:

With a POD post-1204 (after Constantinople was sacked by Venetians), have the Byzantines survive to at the very least, the Victorian era. Bonus points if they last to Modern Day. Quadruple bonus points if you can save them with a 15th century POD (1400+)

I have my own theories, such as political stability, which the post-1204 Byzantines lacked, or perhaps Turkish and Catholic infighting (Cathars are worse than OTL? Turkish beyliks fight for supremacy, leaving the Osmanli stuck in a civil war, not dominating Anatolia?)

Give me your thoughts!

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Asami

Asami

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Muwatalli' said:
This should be in the Before 1900 forum, instead of the after 1900 one.
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OY! I'm sorry! I'm new to this, and I wasn't thinking. I'm dead this morning (It's 1002 where I live.)

Can somebody move this :eek:

Ten thousand apologies to your face.
 

Dirk_Pitt

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eliphas8 said:
This is exactly the idea behind "An Age Of Miracles: The Revival of Rhomanion" which won the turtledove recently. This is the story.
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Actually that's pre-1204. He was asking for a post-1204. I believe there's one where Nicaea focuses more on the Turks than on the Latins, but as far as I know he hasn't progressed all the far from the POD.
 

Magnum

Constantine XI accepts Mehmet's offer of giving up Constantinople and relocating to the Morea in exchange for getting soon-to-conquered bits and pieces of Greece, like Attica, (and of course, his life). The arrangement works well for almost a century, untill the Ottomans decide to take over greek lands directly. Luckily for them though, the Palaiologos Dynasty can call up on Venetian support, and manage to survive the conflict by lots of luck and external factors. During this time, they start, by various means, to get estates and lands in southern and central Italy. For the next fifty to a hundred years, it becomes a question of playing off the Ottomans and Venetians against each other. The Venetian decline sees all Byzantine holdings in mainland Greece taken. As the Venetians decline further, the Byzantines also loose their last Agean islands over which they had (nominal) sovereignty, untill all that's left is their lands in Italy. Through skill, luck, external factors, mistakes by their enemies etc, they cling on in Italy, sometimes eating up small duchies, other times loosing them. By the time nationalism takes hold, it is the head of this state (a man whose claim to the purple, of Basileus and Emperor of Rome is about as valid as that of Constantine XIth) who gets crowned as ruler of a united Italian peninsula.

So basically subsisting as an almost non-entity for most of history until they get their shot to unify Italy.
 
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