AHC: 'Taiwan' your country

And Venizelist Greece would just basically be bumbling from one military dictatorship after another as it tears itself apart between the conservative Dodecanese (who were grateful for liberation from the Italian Fascists) and the pro-EAM/ELAS Cretans, who so want to badly become part of the Hellenic People's Republic. Venizélos would not be amused.

Crete did have some EAM/ELAS supporters but unlike the rest of Greece the resistance was controlled by the Venizelist groups of EOK (National Cretan Organization), which isn't really so suprising given the overwhelming Venizelist majority within the population. The Dodecanese based on election results was pretty much Venizelist too... which is why our Taiwan is the republic of Greece instead of the kingdom of Greece. The one sort of shore point is the Ionian islands which were mostly royalist, they become part of the republic as they are EDES controlled at the time of liberation with several thousand more EDES fighters retreating there when ELAS pushes them out. Thus the republic is more a continuation of the pre-1935 Greece than a clone of the post war kingdom, with it's politics overwhelmingly controlled by the centre parties. It gets a bit more balanced after Cyprus joins up but not overwhelmingly so.
 
The French monarchist assembly of 1870 makes republican upset, and the French Commune finds more political support, thus forcing the Kingdom of France to be proclaimed in Ajaccio.
 
The French monarchist assembly of 1870 makes republican upset, and the French Commune finds more political support, thus forcing the Kingdom of France to be proclaimed in Ajaccio.

If a French regime of that time lost power in the mainland, wouldn't they be more likely to consolidate power in North Africa?
 
If a French regime of that time lost power in the mainland, wouldn't they be more likely to consolidate power in North Africa?

Well, depends on who supports the Commune and who doesn't ... I said Corsica but it could also be Algeria, I just thought the Kingdom would have better symbolism if proclaimed on a "real French" territory.
 
If the French defect to Algeria once their homeland is overrun, they're going to have to come to terms with making compromises. Yes, the pieds noirs are still the strongest and most influential single group, but now they no longer have the numerical superiority and logistical support of the mainland. Even if they turn the Arabs and Berbers against each other, it's a losing proposition; either outnumber them greatly.

Even if the French get Corsica and put their capital there, they're still going to lose Algeria. Corsica cannot support an extended occupation of North Africa against superior numbers of natives.

If this happens before 1956, the pieds noirs have a chance of staying in Algeria, but have to accept a new status quo as an influential minority but not a power. Even late 1957, when they had the upper hand, they could force a stalemate. After that, however, between the humiliation at Suez, in Vietnam, and the revival of the NLF, the locals aren't going to be as welcoming. They're going to get brutal, and the Europeans can only hold against the tide for so long.
 
My country (Jordan):
  1. Has no Islands.
  2. The only extraterritorial areas it has any legal connection to are the West Bank and Gaza.
Not only would it be poorly suited for such a scenario, I don't think Israel is going to lend us either if Amman falls.
There was a TL called "fear not the revolution habibi", in which Jordan fell to a Palestinian uprising, and one of the princes was given the west bank by Israel to set up a kingdom of Jordan in exile.
 
Turkey still owns Cyprus but loses to communists revolutionaries. The Turkish Government led by Ismet Pasha leaves for Cyprus and creates a highly militaristic government in paranoia due to Communist threats.

What about the government not owning Cyprus, fleeing first to Istanbul. Then getting kicked up from that as well, setting up shop in, wait for it, Buyukada of all places. Although they wouldn't last long, "The Republic of the Princes' Islands" would be a very interesting historic accident.
 
There was a TL called "fear not the revolution habibi", in which Jordan fell to a Palestinian uprising, and one of the princes was given the west bank by Israel to set up a kingdom of Jordan in exile.
In which case, it wouldn't be a Jordanian kingdom, but a Hashemite one. And how exactly could the Hashemites rule the Palestinians of the West Bank if they couldn't rule those in their own country, what with the Jordanian and other ethnic groups' support?

The Hashemite monarchy would probably spend its years in exile either in Britain, America, or quite possibly the Gulf States. I cannot see them managing the West Bank any better than the Israelis, with the exception of Israel making the Hashemite monarchy a puppet, something which would severely damage the reputation and leftover prestige of the Hashemite clan.

Yes, admittedly, a Palestinian rule of Jordan would be rife with issues and ethnic tension, what with the Palestinian majority having to deal with the disgruntled Jordanian natives who initially welcomed them in only to have the rug pulled out from under them. But I doubt King Hussein would ruin his chances by appearing as a Hebrew puppet, and would just wait until the Palestinian-ruled government faltered before coming in as a liberator from "foreign tyranny". I'm choosing King Hussein here, because I'm assuming the Revolution in question was the 1970 Black September incident.
 
In which case, it wouldn't be a Jordanian kingdom, but a Hashemite one. And how exactly could the Hashemites rule the Palestinians of the West Bank if they couldn't rule those in their own country, what with the Jordanian and other ethnic groups' support?

The Hashemite monarchy would probably spend its years in exile either in Britain, America, or quite possibly the Gulf States. I cannot see them managing the West Bank any better than the Israelis, with the exception of Israel making the Hashemite monarchy a puppet, something which would severely damage the reputation and leftover prestige of the Hashemite clan.

Yes, admittedly, a Palestinian rule of Jordan would be rife with issues and ethnic tension, what with the Palestinian majority having to deal with the disgruntled Jordanian natives who initially welcomed them in only to have the rug pulled out from under them. But I doubt King Hussein would ruin his chances by appearing as a Hebrew puppet, and would just wait until the Palestinian-ruled government faltered before coming in as a liberator from "foreign tyranny". I'm choosing King Hussein here, because I'm assuming the Revolution in question was the 1970 Black September incident.
Not my TL, but it was a different situation from OTL..
 
Crete did have some EAM/ELAS supporters but unlike the rest of Greece the resistance was controlled by the Venizelist groups of EOK (National Cretan Organization), which isn't really so suprising given the overwhelming Venizelist majority within the population. The Dodecanese based on election results was pretty much Venizelist too... which is why our Taiwan is the republic of Greece instead of the kingdom of Greece. The one sort of shore point is the Ionian islands which were mostly royalist, they become part of the republic as they are EDES controlled at the time of liberation with several thousand more EDES fighters retreating there when ELAS pushes them out. Thus the republic is more a continuation of the pre-1935 Greece than a clone of the post war kingdom, with it's politics overwhelmingly controlled by the centre parties. It gets a bit more balanced after Cyprus joins up but not overwhelmingly so.

Interesting. I never knew that about the Resistance in Crete. As for Cyprus - the only way I'd see it become part of the Republic of Greece is if there are strong guarantees regarding the Turkish Cypriots in particular and minority rights in general, even if only as posturing against the Communists. I add that because especially in Cyprus things get very complex very fast, even if Greek was the de facto lingua franca which even Turkish Cypriots at the time could speak rather well (even under British colonialism), including among other things the island's very own variety of Arabic. Having said that, it would be interesting to see what form the Greek language question takes - as the Cypriot and Dodecanese dialects seem to "fit" Καθαρεύουσα better than the Mainland dialects (in my very subjective opinion - and Pontic even more so than Cypriot and the Dodecanese dialects), I would not be surprised if the phonetic and morphological base of Καθαρεύουσα changes to move away from the Athenian/Ionian/Peloponnesian base towards a more Cypriot/Dodecanese base, and the language question takes on a political base, with Δημοτική (or rather what we could now call, in English, Standard Modern Greek) as the standardized linguistic variety of the Hellenic People's Republic and Καθαρεύουσα as the standardized linguistic variety of the Republic of Greece. Now that would make things interesting and more than just a simple Taiwanizing of Greece.
 
The communism/socialist movement in the 20's and 30's is stronger, to the point where it is democratically voted in (I mean you can't really have a coup when the UK is lurking), they immediately leave the commonwealth (via a rigged referendum) and you start seeing freedoms limited, a civil war ensues and we have the Communists win, with the opposition (with Billy Hughes basically being Chiang Kai-Shek of this story) going to Tasmania and receiving support from the UK government.
 
The most obvious POD for a Communist Britain is the General Strike of 1926. If the government failed to adequately prepare (unlike OTL), if the response was more heavy-handed and violent, and if the King did not adopt a conciliatory tone, there could have been an attempted overthrow of the government. It's unlikely - there were significant revolutionary elements among the strikers, but revolution was not their declared objective.

Nevertheless, if they succeeded, then the government and royal family would flee abroad. Most likely to Canada, but... The King shares his time between Canada, Bermuda, and the other Commonwealth Realms.
My proposal for a Communist Britain is.... Ireland.
The Royal Family of the UK might have escaped to Northern Ireland if Britain went communist.
The UK government flees to the Shetlands.
Isle of Wight as a British Taiwan? :extremelyhappy:
Socialist revolution in Britain in the 20s or 30s following a central Powers victory in WW1 (I'm looking at you, Kaiserreich). British government retreats to Mann or the Isle of Wight? Or the loyalist bits of the Navy retreat to Scapa Flow and a government in exile rules from Kirkwall in the Orkneys? Monarchs get crowned in St Magnus' Cathedral and so on.
So for U.K. we have suggestions of Canada, Ireland, Shetlands, Isle of Wight, Isle of Mann... but what about British Hong Kong? How can we get a UK-in-exile there? I find the idea of a "Sino-UK" rather interesting (in the same way I find the Angrezi Raj from Peshawar Lancers interesting).
Canada falls into a communist revolution somewhere in the early 1910s after we endured much worse losses in WW1 (alt), a French (Fashoda War escalates) supported Quebecois insurgency, and strikes across the country. The Canadian government flees into Newfoundland, Baffin Island and Prince Edward Island.
Newfoundland wasn't part of Canada until late 1940s IIRC while Baffin Islands are nearly uninhabited even today. I guess PEI could work out of those three. But what about Vancouver Island?
My country (Jordan):
  1. Has no Islands.
  2. The only extraterritorial areas it has any legal connection to are the West Bank and Gaza.
Not only would it be poorly suited for such a scenario, I don't think Israel is going to lend us either if Amman falls.
I'm guessing there is a good chance Jordan's royal family would flee to the U.A.E. so you could still fulfill the original challenge if they are given one of the islands (an artificial one would likely do in a pinch) to set up a continuation government.
 
I'm guessing there is a good chance Jordan's royal family would flee to the U.A.E. so you could still fulfill the original challenge if they are given one of the islands (an artificial one would likely do in a pinch) to set up a continuation government.
There'd actually be quite a few options; the Hashemite family made quite a few solid connections in their time, and can live in exile like the Shah did after 1978. I doubt this fits the original scenario, though, given that while the UAE might actually be generous enough to donate them an island to work on, it won't really be sovereign Jordanian territory the way Formosa/Taipei was to China. So a bit of a grey area.
 
Uh...Following a collapse of social order in the Great Depression, together with the rise of Communist, Fascist, Southern Secessionist, and Nativist warlords throughout the former United States of America, the remnants of the US Federal Government, still with the loyalty of most of the US Navy and citizens of the mid-Atlantic states, flees to the Territory of Hawaii, where they proclaim "the Preserved United States of America". Within a decade the exiled mainlanders, have essentially taken control of the territory from the local politicians and the PUSA, also known as the Republic of Hawaii, becomes a haven for other Americans seeking to escape the violence on the mainland, coupled with the eventual victory of a leftist coalition promising a "new socialist dawn" in America. The PUSA is represented as the legitimate government of the former United States by France, Germany, Italy, and most of the British Commonwealth. Both the Exiles and the new revolutionary Socialist United States government in Washington claim to represent the entire country.
 
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