AHC: Switch the fates of French Algeria and French Guiana

Avskygod0

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Have countries be less genocide hating so the french wipe out the arabs in Algeria. French Guiana loses any use and is probably sold to Suriname or Brazil or made independent

For that to happen you would need some extreme "luck". Maybe something similar to "What Madness is This?" happens in France.

Oh and that is a TL in the pre-1900 section
 
Have countries be less genocide hating so the french wipe out the arabs in Algeria. French Guiana loses any use and is probably sold to Suriname or Brazil or made independent

For that to happen you would need some extreme "luck". Maybe something similar to "What Madness is This?" happens in France.

Oh and that is a TL in the pre-1900 section

Except how do they then commit the genocide necessary to make this work. Because Algeria is a hilly and hard to occupy country that could mount a resistence till the cows come home if the French attempt this.
 
Except how do they then commit the genocide necessary to make this work. Because Algeria is a hilly and hard to occupy country that could mount a resistence till the cows come home if the French attempt this.

a.k.a. OTL
 

katchen

Banned
Obviously, you're talking about transferring the Arab and Berber population of Algeria to French Guiana. Remember, for a whiile, French Guiana extends to the Amazon and Jari Rivers before Amapa is given back to Brazil. it would be horrible for them. They would have a terrible time adapting to life in rainforest conditions. And it's a real question how much of it the US would tolerae before the US would be perturbed by the matter. After all, the US went to war with Spain over less.
Stil, if France "go away with it", this would effectively fulfill this challenge.
 
French Guiana isn't chosen for the spaceport for an alternative location and is cut close just like Suriname in the latter half of the twentieth century. I wouldn't know how to keep Algeria French except maybe try to treat the Algerians like full citizens with rights and everything and not oppress them, sounds crazy, but it would go a long way to making the locals at least not bother for independence.
 
French Guiana isn't chosen for the spaceport for an alternative location and is cut close just like Suriname in the latter half of the twentieth century. I wouldn't know how to keep Algeria French except maybe try to treat the Algerians like full citizens with rights and everything and not oppress them, sounds crazy, but it would go a long way to making the locals at least not bother for independence.

Easier said than done; making the Algerians full French citizens could well have been seen as oppressing them, given the strong secularist character of France, and the deeply religious nature of Algerian society, particularly inland.
 
Have the French more heavily settle/colonise the coastal strip of Algeria in the 1800s and split it off as a Department late 1800s/early 1900s. If the French could manage to get 70% of the department population being French as opposed to Arab that could do it. Then the rest of Algeria is given its independence as OTL (or with less hassle). This is probably completely ASB!
 
There were three Depatments in the coastal strip and the interior was adminstrtively separate. The post is not really ASB, but this would require a committed national effort to populate the coast with French settlers and expell the Arab populace to the Saharan interior or Tunisia/Morocco. Perhaps a Surviving Second Empire would pursue this policy. Of course, the French have never been keen on voluntary immigration unless forced to, like my Huguenot ancestors.
 

katchen

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There were three Depatments in the coastal strip and the interior was adminstrtively separate. The post is not really ASB, but this would require a committed national effort to populate the coast with French settlers and expell the Arab populace to the Saharan interior or Tunisia/Morocco. Perhaps a Surviving Second Empire would pursue this policy. Of course, the French have never been keen on voluntary immigration unless forced to, like my Huguenot ancestors.
Coastal Algeria (particularly around Oran and Bone-Constantine apparently have coal in proximity to iron ore, thus are perfect candidates for industrialization and employment of both French people and Algerians. It is very important to settle the interior with French people. The Sahara is actually where French can attain a clear majority of the population, since the local Muslim population is quite low and there are vast reserves of ground water that can support cities and towns as well as substantial mineral reserves. And we are not just talking about the present day Algerian Sahara, but the entire Sahara down to the Niger River, the Atlantic Ocean and the Tibesti Mountains and Chari Basin. In that entire area, there are maybe 2 million people. Railroads are easy to build. There is iron, coal, oil, gold, uranium, copper and other minerals and in large quantities.
If France is realistic and willing to invest still more in infrastructure and education and health for the inhabitants, there is still more land that France can incorporate into Metropolitan France in Equatorial Africa. Unlike French West Africa, the population of Equatorial Africa is relatively low. A mere 2 million people in Chad at the turn of the 20th Century, less than 1 million in what is now Central African Republic and less than 1 million in what is now IOTL Republic of Congo and Gabon. And only in Chad is there an appreciable number of Muslims. Elsewhere, people easily become Catholic and French speakers even if they do have black skins.
One other thing that this France will need will be a corridor across Morocco to Tangier and the Strait of Gibraltar. Eventually, there will be a rail tunnel under the Strait of Gibraltar. www.washingtonpost.comWorldEurope
Which leads to a Greater France extending to the Congo River and sprawling like the Russian Empire.
 
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