AHC: Sweeden controlling Norway and Finland at the same time.

Both of these nations have been a part of Sweden at different points in history. In fact, Sweden acquired Norway only a few years after losing Finland to Russia. Would it be possible for Sweden to control both these areas at the same time?

You can use any POD you want, so long as the nation in question is something we'd recognize as Sweden as we know it OTL.
 

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I can see this happening during the Napoleonic Period. Possibly with Sweden siding with Great Britian as a balance to Denmark and Russia.
 
Both of these nations have been a part of Sweden at different points in history. In fact, Sweden acquired Norway only a few years after losing Finland to Russia. Would it be possible for Sweden to control both these areas at the same time?

You can use any POD you want, so long as the nation in question is something we'd recognize as Sweden as we know it OTL.

Didn't this actually happen sometime in the High Medieval period?
 
Like I said the House of Bjelbo were the rulers of Norway, FInland, and Sweden...... They were a swedish royal family... in the 11th-14th and 15th centuries I believe.

yeah i was actually making a TL based on this, except that they went on to conquer danemark as well.

it would be very interesting especially if a Swedish empire equivalent still arose.
 
Not having Charles X break the peace less than a year after he got portions of Norway and then take the rest during the next war.

Or avoid Charles XII death at Halden
 
Technically speaking Charles VIII was king of Sweden (including Finland) and Norway at the same time in 1449 but it was for less then one year and he never really gained control over the whole of Norway. A possible POD is that he somehow manages to hold on to the Norwegian throne and Norway is slowly integrated with Sweden. That would be one way to meet the conditions of the challenge.
 
Both of these nations have been a part of Sweden at different points in history. In fact, Sweden acquired Norway only a few years after losing Finland to Russia. Would it be possible for Sweden to control both these areas at the same time?

You can use any POD you want, so long as the nation in question is something we'd recognize as Sweden as we know it OTL.

Read this timeline. Von Adler has this happening as a result of the Napoleonic Wars. Basically, Sweden is able to stall the Russian invasion in 1808-1809, so Russia Finland does not fall to Russia, and later negotiations turn Norway over to Sweden. It's a long, detailed thread with lots of battlefield tactics, and there was a long discussion somewhere in the middle because somebody didn't believe Sweden would be given Norway if they managed to hold Finland.
 
Not having Charles X break the peace less than a year after he got portions of Norway and then take the rest during the next war.

Or have Charles X successfully storm Copenhagen, either before the Treaty of Taastrup was signed, or after. With the capital sized and the rest of "mainland" Denmark occupied they would probably given the whole of Norway in exchange for peace.
 
Read this timeline. Von Adler has this happening as a result of the Napoleonic Wars. Basically, Sweden is able to stall the Russian invasion in 1808-1809, so Russia Finland does not fall to Russia, and later negotiations turn Norway over to Sweden. It's a long, detailed thread with lots of battlefield tactics, and there was a long discussion somewhere in the middle because somebody didn't believe Sweden would be given Norway if they managed to hold Finland.

Sweden has uniliterally annexed Norway in my timeline, the Danes have refused to sign any peace treaty, but the British have promised to support the Swedish annexation post-war. Right now, Russia, Denmark and Sweden are on the same side against Napoleon, so any fights over Finland and Norway will have to wait.

The best chance as asked by the original poster is probably a great victory by Sweden 1660.
 
Or avoid Charles XII death at Halden
the problem is with Charles XII, or at least i believe is the case;
is that like napoleon or hitler he was simply to late to achieve victory.

if one of his forefathers were to conquer norway, then maybe the great northern war would have been different;

but Charles XII came to thrown young and was immediately attacks by countries with much more manpower;
his is still a great story though, by the way.

EDIT:
After having put thought into it, this may have worked; although if Sweden gets Norway then idk if Russia will give back Finland.
The problem with that is that Charlie wouldn't have went for it; he refused to give up any territory and thats why you gotta respect the man.
 
Finland was actually rather poor during this era - Russia did not want it. They wanted a land strip for Saint Petersburg to be able to use the Neva to trade, and they wanted the Baltic ports in Estonia and Livonia for their lucrative trade (grain sold in the Netherlands, allowing the Dutch to grow cash crops and get even richer). Even 1808 the Russians only aimed for Sveaborg since they thought it would be an excellent outer fortification for Saint Petersburg - they only took all of Finland because of the rapid Swedish collapse.
 
Have Charles X actually stick to his plans for the war in PLC, rather than engage in a wild goose chase all over Poland. Then he can concentrate on his arch-nemesis Denmark - he really wanted to extinguish it as an independent kingdom.
 
Sweden has uniliterally annexed Norway in my timeline, the Danes have refused to sign any peace treaty, but the British have promised to support the Swedish annexation post-war. Right now, Russia, Denmark and Sweden are on the same side against Napoleon, so any fights over Finland and Norway will have to wait.

Oh, that's what happened: forgive me; it's been awhile since I read it.

The best chance as asked by the original poster is probably a great victory by Sweden 1660.

I had actually toyed with the idea of making a timeline like this. It involved Sweden decisively winning the Battle of Sound by attacking the Dutch fleet while it waited at anchor. I figured that the English and French would intervene to stop the Swedes from conquering Denmark, but then conspire together to take down the Dutch. Somewhere along the line, Sweden would manage to leverage military support against recognition of a Swedish-Norwegian personal union.

I ultimately abandoned the idea for three reasons: (1) I think I decided that the English and French would resist giving Norway to Sweden, so I instead had the English proposing to support other, less consequential (retro-)cessions, like New Sweden or the Gold Coast forts; (2) I wasn't convinced that the political and economic affairs in England would be conducive to starting an earlier Anglo-Dutch War, and (3) Swedenwanks apparently went out of fashion before I could post it.
 
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