AHC: Surviving Japonic-speaking central and southern Korea (aside from Baekje-wank)

It has been theorized/hypothesized that the central and southern parts of the Korean peninsula used to be speaking either a Japonic language of more than one Japonic languages. Thus, the hypothesis that the origins of the Yayoi people being from the peninsula, particularly from the southwest (Baekje) is quite certain.

Last June, I wrote in the Wank Korea thread about the possibility of a surviving Japonic-speaking central and southern Korean peninsula. At first, I suggested a Gaya-wank; @zeppelinair then responded and suggested for a Baekje-wank, which I found it very plausible as well.

As the title of this thread suggested, what particular time period would we need for the said region to remain linguistically Japonic, aside from a strengthened Baekje? Would it change the course of East Asian history in general, or would it remain much as the same as OTL, albeit with some minor changes?


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For the uninitiated, the central and southern regions of Korean peninsula begins in the regions south of Pyongyang and ends in the whole southern coast of Korea. Jeju is included in this scenario.
 
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Thus, the hypothesis that the origins of the Yayoi people being from the peninsula, particularly from the southwest (Baekje) is quite certain.
The linguistic connection between Korea and Japan is still unclear.

Koguryo is connected to all sorts of languages. This includes Tungusic (both Koguryo and Manchu had the word na meaning "earth") and Japonic (the Koguryo word for "seven" was something like nanun, compare with Japanese nana), but the majority of Koguryo words are firmly connected to Korean (e.g. Koguryo phauy "rock" vs Modern Korean pawi "rock" or Koguryo sywu "ox" vs Modern Korean so "cow").

Paekche words also seem to correspond to Modern Korean. Consider (Paekche vs Modern Korean):
  • sa "new" vs say "new"
  • mure "mountain" vs moi "mountain" (in Early Modern Korean)
  • mwulke "clear" vs mal- "clear"
For Kaya, we only have one word, pronounced something like tol and meaning "gate". In Japanese, the word for "gate" is to. But one word is way too weak a basis to say anything.

Actually, it is Samhan that is Jomon speaking.
The Samhan language was probably directly ancestral to Silla, and we are absolutely, 100% sure that Silla is directly ancestral to Modern Korean.
 
The linguistic connection between Korea and Japan is still unclear.

Koguryo is connected to all sorts of languages. This includes Tungusic (both Koguryo and Manchu had the word na meaning "earth") and Japonic (the Koguryo word for "seven" was something like nanun, compare with Japanese nana), but the majority of Koguryo words are firmly connected to Korean (e.g. Koguryo phauy "rock" vs Modern Korean pawi "rock" or Koguryo sywu "ox" vs Modern Korean so "cow").

Paekche words also seem to correspond to Modern Korean. Consider (Paekche vs Modern Korean):
  • sa "new" vs say "new"
  • mure "mountain" vs moi "mountain" (in Early Modern Korean)
  • mwulke "clear" vs mal- "clear"
For Kaya, we only have one word, pronounced something like tol and meaning "gate". In Japanese, the word for "gate" is to. But one word is way too weak a basis to say anything.


The Samhan language was probably directly ancestral to Silla, and we are absolutely, 100% sure that Silla is directly ancestral to Modern Korean.
Some people said that Samhan is the Japonic speaking not Baekje due to Mimana aka gaya.
 
Paekche words also seem to correspond to Modern Korean. Consider (Paekche vs Modern Korean):
  • sa "new" vs say "new"
  • mure "mountain" vs moi "mountain" (in Early Modern Korean)
  • mwulke "clear" vs mal- "clear"
It was actually hypothesized/theorized that there were actually two language spoken in Baekje: The Buyeo-Baekje, which was brought by refugees/immigrant population from Goguryeo, hence the similarities with the northern language (and Korean as well), and the Han-Baekje language, spoken by the already existing population in the Baekje territory, which was hypothetically/theoritically related to Gaya/Japonic.
 
I suspect any early cross channel polity will lead to Japonic influence on the peninsula even if there was no Japonic language originally there. Linguists would probably be more inclined to set up an Altaic language group.
 
I think we need for the Japonics survive the the plague and famine that decimated them and perhaps decimate the Korean speakers instead...
 

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Are we sure it's "Japonic," and not a Korean population that conquered Japan?
Japonic is just the term for the language family as it's only confirmed members are Japanese and the Ryukyuyan languages

It isn't even known for certain if there were any spoken in Korea
 
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