AHC: Stuart Kingdom of Ireland
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Henry VIII follows through on the plan to make Ireland a separate kingdom and put his son Henry Fitzroy on the throne. Then Fitzroy dies and history continues as normal but with Ireland technically a separate kingdom. When the House of Stuart takes the crown and the Act of Union it's a triple crown instead of a dual crown.
Er, Henry VIII made Ireland a kingdom OTL anyway with the Crown of Ireland Act.
@GameBawesome are you wanting a Stuart Ireland that is NOT in personal union with England and/or Scotland?
OTL's closest shave was the Jacobite War in Ireland. It's probably not at all sustainable (the Williamites don't want to give up Ireland, and the Jacobites want Britain back) but you could maybe reverse the Battle of the Boyne or any other battle and get a stalemate leading to a ceasefire, where both sides consider themselves kings of Great Britain and Ireland but the Stuarts are practically kings of Ireland and Orange of Britain.
Then follows another war, which Orange almost certainly wins eventually. But it works for a little while.
Then follows another war, which Orange almost certainly wins eventually. But it works for a little while.
Have the French Invasion of 1759 be successful and have James III put on the throne. 90% of Ireland was Catholic and he would be supported by them as he was a Catholic. However in order for them to let go of Ireland it would take a lot, like the British getting destroyed by the French and London getting occupied by the French.
No, the Stuarts got overthrown by other Stuarts in the Glorious Revolution. Then because of some BS rules, none of the Stuart heirs after Anne were allowed to inherit and the Hannovers were the first in line after a lot of eliminated people.
An amphibious assault gives the defenders a force multiplier of at least 3 and sometimes as much as 30 depending on the exact terrain according to some of our now-banned members who were quite knowledgeable about the Renaissance Era warfare. And one of my books about the so-called Cabinet Wars mentions something about how stupidly costly amphibious assaults can be.
The problem with a Jacobite Stuart Ireland is not so much the military side as the personal one. Defeating William in 1690 is difficult but it is doable - even in OTL a lucky shot almost killed him the day before the Battle of the Boyne.
Unfortunately James II had no interest in his Irish subjects as anything other than a means to getting back to Britain - other than actual religion he had the same opinion about Ireland as the vast majority of his countrymen.
Unfortunately James II had no interest in his Irish subjects as anything other than a means to getting back to Britain - other than actual religion he had the same opinion about Ireland as the vast majority of his countrymen.
The Protestant Succession. In our enlightened times it looks like a piece of anti-Catholic bigotry (as indeed it is) but it also represents an important constitutional change. Up until the Glorious Revolution, the legal constitutional position (if not necessarily the reality on the ground) was that the religion of the King was the religion of the State. The Protestant Succession is where Parliament says "No actually, from here on in the religion of the State will be the religion of the King". This is a major tilting of the balance away from the monarch and towards the Parliament and (certainly in this case) the country.
It's only treason if it's unsuccessful.
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Treason never prospers/What's the reason?/If it prospers none/Dare call it Treason