AHC Soviet Union succesfully reforms during Gorbachev era

China's experience suggests it wasn't necessary to junk the whole Soviet system to increase economic performance. Allow a capitalist economic system while retaining communist political control. Ideologically that wasn't as contradictory as it may seem, for the communists said a genuine capitalist phase is a needed precursor of socialism.
So get rid of state control of industry and agriculture but don't allow political reform such as genuine elections, or independence movements.
 
Gorbachev did that mistake that he introruced too much of political liberation and tried liberate economy too much and too quickly. So slow development then things might succeed.
 
Gorbachev did that mistake that he introruced too much of political liberation and tried liberate economy too much and too quickly.

The Chinese avoided the first mistake. I don't recall the pace at which they implemented economic reforms. But it sure was successful....for years we've been drowning in their goods.
 
Gorbachev did that mistake that he introruced too much of political liberation and tried liberate economy too much and too quickly. So slow development then things might succeed.
Chinese Analyses of Soviet Failure: The Party

When Westerners examine the events of 20 years ago that led to the collapse of the Soviet Union—or even when they try to look at how China may change in the years ahead—their approach is very different from that officially followed in China today. Westerners almost without exception look instinctively for deep trends and deep causes—such things as rising literacy, increasing social complexity, or ethnic problems. Chinese officialdom approaches the dissolution of the Soviet Union in quite a different way.

Although much literature exists on the topic in China, not all of it is in accord with the official narrative that follows, and some of it at odds. What is addressed here is the most authoritative official analysis to date, which is interesting above all for the implications it has for future policy as China seeks to avoid the Soviet fate. It is an eight part television series called Preparing for Danger in Times of Safety—Historic Lessons Learned from the Demise of Soviet Communism (Ju’an siwei) [1].

As this essay will seek to make clear, today’s official China believes that nothing deep or fundamental was wrong with the Soviet Union even in the late 1980s. According to the Chinese official narrative, the failure of the Soviet regime to continue is not attributable to a broad systemic phenomenon, but rather to a very specific failure of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.

This viewpoint is becoming very clear as the first fruits of the nearly decade-long research program that examine the events mentioned are made public. The Chinese authorities distinguish clearly between two events that Westerners tend to merge: the first, as they see it, is a failure of the communist party of the Soviet Union and consequent loss of authority with the second, which is the result of the first, being the disintegration of the Soviet Union.

This negative evaluation of Soviet party policy is a post-1989 phenomenon. A perusal of Beijing Review for the Gorbachev years before that date will reveal much more positive and optimistic coverage, which began to diminish after Li Peng became premier in April 1988 [2].

After the collapse, the year 2000 saw the establishment in the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences of research groups devoted to two topics: one to the strength and decline of the Soviet Communist Party and the other the rise and fall of the Soviet Union. The work of these groups was considered so important that it was subsequently designated a “fundamental national social science research topic” and other organizations were brought into the work, including the National Party Construction Committee and the Central Disciplinary Committee [3].

The result was what Westerners may consider the most authoritative official Chinese assessment of the end of the Soviet Union to date. This film focuses not on world events, or on general trends in the socialist world, but rather on the details of the history and policies of the Soviet communist party—presented with an orthodox purity one might have expected in the 1940s. The message is that the Soviet party failed because it gave up the dictatorship of the proletariat, ceased to practice democratic centralism, criticized Stalin, was beguiled by western concepts such as democracy, and also tripped up by Western propaganda and other operations.

The series begins by listing some possible causes for Soviet collapse such as “lack of flexibility within the Stalinist model” and the “betrayal of Gorbachev” but then asks:

[W]hat is the most fundamental cause? Comrade Mao Zedong once told us that ‘if there are multiple conflicts within any process, there must exist one major conflict that plays the leading and decisive role.’ In his famous 1992 talks in the South, Comrade Deng Xiaoping clearly pointed out ‘If problems are to occur, they are bound to occur inside the CCP [Chinese Communist Party].’ In December 1991, Comrade Jiang Zemin pointed out that the transformation of the former Soviet Union and Eastern European countries is not due to the failure of Scientific Socialism [emphasis supplied] but to the abandonment of the Socialist path. In December 2000, Comrade Hu Jintao also pointed out that there are multiple factors contributing to the disintegration of the Soviet Union, very important ones being Khrushchev throwing away Stalin’s knife and Gorbachev’s open betrayal of Marxism-Leninism’ [3]. The Introductory segment concludes: “What went wrong? It is found in the CPSU” [Communist Party of the Soviet Union] [4].

What exactly went wrong in the CPSU? According to official interpretation, most importantly, the party ceased to insist that it was the sole ruling party, seeking instead to bring society in as its own ultimate governor.

To explain this historically, the film turns to the Second Congress of the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party (Brussels and London) where 190 of Lenin’s “Bolsheviks” insisted on party dictatorship [5]. Yet theirs was a view not shared by all socialists or communists. Marx and Engels were vague about the “dictatorship of the proletariat” seeing it as a transitional mechanism that would be unnecessary in a socialist society where contradictions had ceased to exist [6]. With the idea of a permanent ruling party went the idea that it would make its decisions according to the procedures of “democratic centralism” of which Lenin is the great exemplar.

At the center of the presentation is a most favorable presentation of Stalin. As the narrator states, while images of impressive industrial development and prosperous farmers fill the screen, “From April 1923 to March 1953 Stalin . . . held the country’s top leadership positions . . . This was a thriving and prosperous period of time in the history of the CPSU and the Soviet Union. During this period, the speed of Soviet’s social and economic development and growth of its overall national power greatly exceeded that of the capitalist countries . . . The Soviet Union during Stalin’s time announced to the world the incomparable superiority and vitality of the new socialist system” [7].

Some lip service is paid to the idea that Stalin made errors, including “expansion of his purges, as well as the bitter fruits of his non-democratic working style and the mistakes caused by his abusive manner.” But these are minor. As the narrative concludes, "[A]s time goes by, when we brush off the dust of history, people feel more than ever that Stalin’s errors should never tarnish his position as a great Marxist and proletarian revolutionist in history” [8].

In particular, the figures commonly given for deaths under Stalin are ridiculed and diminished: “Wild exaggeration” took place of “the number of people killed in Stalin’s purges of counter-revolutionaries. The number was exaggerated several dozen times to reach 10 million or tens of millions” [9].

If Lenin and Stalin are the heroes of the piece, Khrushchev and later Gorbachev are most emphatically the villains.

At the 20th Congress of the CPSU, February 14, 1956 First Secretary Khrushchev made a presentation of a secret report called “On Personal Worship and its Consequences”—the “secret speech” which detailed Stalin’s true record [10].

As bad as Khrushchev’s denunciation of Stalin was his attempt to change the nature of rule in the USSR. The platform that was passed by the 22nd Party Congress in October 1961 stated, “The Proletarian Dictatorship is no longer necessary in the Soviet Union. At its new stage, or this stage, the country, born as a country of Proletarian Dictatorship, has become a State of the People” [11]. With this quasi-democratic idea taking the place of dictatorship, the rot set in, particularly in the younger generation.

Young people in the CPSU grew up under Khrushchev’s influence at the 20th Congress’s criticism of Stalin. They were unfamiliar with the party’s revolutionary tradition, and lacked firm beliefs in socialism. They were later known as “the babies born at the 20th Congress.” After the mid-80s of the 20th century, it was exactly these people who became the backbone that disintegrated the CPSU and buried the socialist system [12].

In 1964, Brezhnev and his associates ousted Khrushchev, which is presented as a positive development in the documentary. This is not least because in June 1967 the CPSU’s Central Committee passed a resolution that restored some of the concept of the dictatorship of the proletariat, stressing that the ‘State of the People’ still had a class character and would ‘continue the cause of the Proletarian Dictatorship.’”

Yet after Brezhnev’s death in 1982, “Andropov and Chernenko passed away in three years” and in March 1985 Gorbachev came in bringing slogans of “democratization,” “openness,” and “media diversity” [13].

Gorbachev’s ideals are seen as a continuation of Khrushchev’s quasi-democratic concept of the “state of the people.” Gorbachev’s memoirs are quoted as follows:

If you try to succinctly sum up the idea of political reform, then the thinking and implementation can be summarized as to transfer power from the monopoly of the Communist Party’s hands to the hands of the people who are entitled to enjoy it through the Constitution, or to the hands of Soviets comprised of freely elected representatives [14].

Such ideas led to the amendment of the Soviet Constitution in 1991 to allow political freedom—and the collapse of any vestige of proletarian dictatorship or democratic centralism as “20 parties were formed in one year at the Union level and 500 at the Republic level” [15].

All of this is very different from the standard Western analyses of the Soviet failure. To be sure, the authors allow that between the time of Stalin and Brezhnev the Soviet Union began to lose its leading place among the nations of the world:

“In the 1960s, the capitalist world’s electronic, information, biological, and other science and technologies had made great progress but the Soviet Union was lacking timely knowledge of the world’s scientific and technological revolution” [16].

But the situation could have been salvaged, perhaps if the Soviets had adopted the path subsequently followed by China.

If the ruling Communist Party could have adhered to Marxist-Leninist theory and paths, timely and correctly solve the accumulated problems and conflicts, and correct the mistakes with courage, it would have been possible to pull the Soviet Union and the Communist Party out of danger, and to continue to push the socialist cause forward [17].


Such is the Chinese official—it must be stressed official—diagnosis of the Soviet failure, and from the diagnosis will flow the policy solution. Perhaps it is not surprising, then, that party discipline and unity are at the top of the list of issues being stressed publicly in China today, and simple repression is regularly employed as a means of dealing with tensions, while relatively less emphasis is placed on how to cope with the vast challenges posed to any authoritarian government by a dynamic, growing, and ever-differentiating society.
 
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Could Mikhail Gorbachev Have Saved the Soviet Union?
The Soviet leader is remembered as the man who killed a superpower. But Gorbachev’s gambit on reforms could have worked -- if only he wasn't betrayed by the Communist Party.
BY CHRIS MILLER

Amid the thousands of protesters who assembled on China’s Tiananmen Square in May 1989, just weeks before the Chinese government sent troops to crush the demonstrations, one person held a placard that declared: “We Salute the Ambassador of Democracy.” The envoy that this protester saluted was neither an activist nor a dissident nor from a country renowned for human rights advocacy. It was Mikhail Gorbachev, the general secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, who had arrived in Beijing on May 15, 1989, two weeks before the Chinese leadership’s fateful decision to send in troops. The type of democracy he offered was not Western-style liberal capitalism but market socialism. Chinese students took trains from far-flung provinces just to see him. Gorbachev inspired China’s protesters on Tiananmen Square because the Soviet leader’s struggle to refashion the Soviet Union’s centrally planned economy and authoritarian political system mirrored their efforts in China. Reformers in both countries, protesters believed, were fighting similar battles.

Gorbachev’s visit, which marked the restoration of normal relations between the People’s Republic of China and the Soviet Union, had been planned long in advance. But Beijing was unsure how to greet Gorbachev, the Soviet superstar. His meeting with Deng Xiaoping came as the Chinese leader was drawing his country away from central planning and toward a market economy. Moreover, it proved impossible for Beijing and Moscow to separate foreign relations and domestic politics. Chinese officials were unnerved by Gorbachev’s strategy of mixing market reforms with democracy. They saw how the Soviet leader’s example encouraged demonstrators on Tiananmen Square to demand that China follow the new path Gorbachev was forging in the Soviet Union.

In a speech in Beijing prior to the Tiananmen crackdown, Gorbachev told his Chinese audience that “economic reform will not work unless supported by a radical transformation of the political system.” This is why, he explained, the Soviet Union had held contested elections the previous month, for the first time in generations. “We are participating in a very serious turning point in the development of world socialism,” Gorbachev explained, in which many socialist countries were embracing freedom of expression, protection of rights, and democracy. Hard-liners in the Chinese government prevented the broadcasting of Gorbachev’s speech.

By the end of the 1980s, Gorbachev had concluded that ending the Communist Party’s political monopoly was the only way to implement his economic agenda. But Deng and his hard-line allies in the Chinese Communist Party leadership were unwilling to give up power without a fight. As Gorbachev left Beijing, the authoritarian wing of the Chinese Communist Party was already preparing a crackdown. On June 4, 1989, Deng sent the army into Tiananmen Square, killing at least several hundred protesters, maybe many more. The lesson, Deng told a meeting of top party leaders on June 16, was simple: “The recent events show how crucial it is that China stick with the socialist road and the leadership of the party. Only socialism” — that is, only one-party rule, Deng said — “can save China and turn it into a developed country.” China needed to focus on its economy, he argued, to ensure nothing like the Tiananmen protests happened again.

Scholars who study China’s government have long noted how closely Beijing studied political and social changes in the Soviet Union. Yet historians have generally overlooked the central role that China played in Soviet debates about how to remake state socialism during the 1980s. Deng’s decision to crush the protests on Tiananmen Square and to double down on authoritarian rule placed China on a path toward a market economy without democracy. The Soviet Union, meanwhile, embraced free speech and multiparty elections even as it plunged into a devastating economic depression before breaking apart into 15 separate countries. Many people blame the post-Soviet chaos on Gorbachev’s decision to democratize Soviet politics. Russia’s economy has since recovered from those tumults, but liberal politics did not survive.

Today, Russia has a market economy and an authoritarian political system. Many Russians wonder whether they would be better off had they taken Beijing’s model of authoritarian capitalism from the beginning. Why did Gorbachev not follow China’s path?

The crackdown on Tiananmen Square transformed China’s politics, and it marked a turning point for the Soviet Union, too. In 1989, at the very moment China was forging anew its authoritarian system, Gorbachev was freeing the press, liberalizing political speech, and introducing competitive elections. In just two years, Gorbachev tore down the Soviet autocracy and began building the foundations of a democratic polity. Yet this political change was accompanied by a series of shake-ups that undermined the Soviet state. Local elites began mobilizing ethnic minorities in the Soviet Union’s far-flung regions, from the Fergana Valley of Central Asia to the Caucasus. The growing power of regional elites meant that Gorbachev’s writ was increasingly ignored outside of Moscow. The Soviet media — newly freed by Gorbachev’s reforms — took aim not only at Gorbachev’s enemies but at his own failings, too. Never since the Bolshevik Revolution had a leader been subject to such public criticism.

The Soviet leader’s greatest problem, however, was his country’s economy. After crushing the Tiananmen protests, China suffered a brief economic slowdown in 1990 but quickly rebounded. The Soviet economy, by contrast, spiraled inexorably downward. Gorbachev implemented a series of measures to introduce market incentives and legalize private businesses in industry and agriculture. Many of these changes — at least in aim, if not in execution — were broadly similar to the economic reforms that Deng instituted in China. Amid these policy changes, however, the Soviet Union faced a growing budget crisis that Gorbachev was powerless to address. Unlike in China, Soviet politics were gridlocked, and Gorbachev had little room to maneuver. The budget deficit continued to spike upward, and because Moscow had only limited access to debt markets at home or abroad, the deficit was financed by creating credit and printing rubles. This caused a surge of shortages and inflation that exacerbated the country’s economic difficulties and eroded the government’s authority. By the end of 1991 — just two years after Gorbachev’s visit to China — the Soviet economy was in tatters. Factories ceased production, transport ground to a halt, and bread lines grew ever longer.

Gorbachev was powerless to resolve the crisis. The desperate economic situation meant there was no money with which to appease separatists or disgruntled ethnic groups across the Soviet Union. Meanwhile, Gorbachev’s weakness vis-à-vis the military, powerful industrial groups, and the country’s vast network of collective farms meant that he was unable to impose budget cuts. His only other chance of balancing the budget and defeating inflation and shortages was to hike consumer prices — as post-Soviet Russia would eventually do in 1992. But Gorbachev knew that price increases would eliminate whatever popularity he retained. Any attempt to balance the budget, either by cutting spending or raising prices, could easily cause his downfall. Political paralysis produced by the powerful forces who opposed economic reform was the ultimate cause of the Soviet Union’s collapse.

Confronting these entrenched elites, Gorbachev hesitated, fearing the political forces arrayed against him and hoping that the economic reforms he pushed through would spark economic growth. This was a gamble that Gorbachev did not win.

The military coup he long feared finally arrived in August 1991. The security forces, who conspired with big industrial lobby groups, locked Gorbachev in his Crimean dacha and seized power. The coup failed after just three days, but not by Gorbachev’s efforts — he remained stuck in Crimea — but because of Russian President Boris Yeltsin’s skill in mobilizing Moscow against the coup. Gorbachev watched impotently from his vacation home as Yeltsin defeated the putsch. Four months later, in December 1991, the leaders of the Russian, Ukrainian, and Belorussian republics met discreetly in a forest lodge and declared that the Soviet Union — the country Gorbachev governed — would no longer exist. The Belavezha Accords were signed on Dec. 8 and began the process that effectively dissolved the Soviet Union. As the clock rolled over into Dec. 26, 1991, the world’s largest country officially no longer existed.

The abolition of the Soviet Union and the emergence of an independent Russia did nothing to resolve the country’s economic problems, however. Yeltsin, the president of newly independent Russia, inherited Soviet shortages and its gaping budget deficit. In response, he freed price restrictions on consumer goods, eliminating shortages but creating rapid inflation that wiped out most families’ savings. Yeltsin also slashed military spending, threatening to put former soldiers and defense sector employees out of work. Farm subsidies were cut, pushing agricultural regions into poverty. Some industries fared better; several, such as Gazprom, the state-owned gas company, managed even to increase their influence. Yet the 1990s were, for most Russians, a period of tumult and tragedy.

At the time of Gorbachev’s visit to China in 1989, few people would have guessed that a decade later Deng’s policies would look smart and Gorbachev’s reckless. In the late 1980s, Gorbachev was widely hailed for his liberalizing policies. He won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1990 for reshaping the Soviet Union and ending the Cold War. Meanwhile, China’s decision to crush the Tiananmen protests was not only condemned worldwide by governments and media; it was also interpreted as evidence of Beijing’s backwardness.

But by his death in 1997, Deng’s decision appeared vindicated, as world opinion had turned decisively in his favor. Deng had seen enough of Russia’s tumultuous politics to know where he stood: sacrifice political liberalization for stability’s sake, because the alternative was chaos and collapse. Chinese analysts of Soviet politics continue to fault Gorbachev for abandoning central planning too rapidly and in a disorganized fashion. Rather than liberalizing politics, they argue, Gorbachev should have focused on the economy.

Today, top Chinese leaders cite the Soviet Union as an example of why China’s Communist Party must keep its fist clenched on power, even as it casts off the last remaining vestiges of the Maoist economy. Jiang Zemin, who succeeded Deng as China’s leader, argued in 1990 that the Soviet Union’s main problem was that Gorbachev was a traitor like Leon Trotsky, the Soviet revolutionary who was found guilty of betraying Marxism-Leninism by then-leader Joseph Stalin. That was an ironic charge coming from the official who first formally welcomed China’s business classes into the supposedly communist ruling party. Yet in December 2012, Chinese President Xi Jinping echoed this analysis. “Why did the Soviet Union disintegrate?” he asked a group of Communist Party members. “Their ideals and convictions wavered,” he explained. “Finally, all it took was one quiet word from Gorbachev to declare the dissolution of the Soviet Communist Party, and a great party was gone.” Yet it is Deng’s logic that has come to dominate most interpretations of the Soviet Union’s collapse. “My father,” reportedDeng’s youngest son, “thinks Gorbachev is an idiot.”

In Russia, many agree. Russians regularly rate Gorbachev as one of their worst leaders of the 20th century. A 2013 poll found that only 22 percent of Russians perceive Gorbachev positively or slightly positively, while 66 percent have a negative impression. By contrast, Leonid Brezhnev, who presided over two decades of stagnation, is viewed positively by 56 percent of Russians. Even Stalin, who managed a murderous reign of terror, gets positive marks from half of Russians. It is not surprising, then, that Deng’s reputation in Russia has risen. Many Russians see China as a model of what their country should have done during the 1980s and 1990s. Liberal politics cause chaos and economic distress, many Russians have concluded, and only a strong hand can deliver economic growth.

Given the growing appeal of market economics combined with authoritarian rule, it comes as no surprise that dictators such as Russian President Vladimir Putin criticize democrats like Gorbachev. The Communist Party was the institution that held the Soviet Union together; it ensured that laws were obeyed and taxes were paid. Once Gorbachev began his assault on the party’s authority in the late 1980s, is it any surprise that the country fell apart?

Lost in this explanation is the fact that the Soviet system gave power to a new ruling class of generals, collective farm managers, and industrial bosses, all of whom benefited from economic waste and inefficiency. Deng managed to compromise with other elites, letting them retain their authority in exchange for their support in pursuing economic reforms that allowed China to grow. But in the Soviet Union, economic reform meant destroying the power base of the special interest groups, leaving a potential military coup lurking in the background and hanging over Gorbachev’s head. That was a threat Deng never faced.

The reason why Gorbachev lost out is not because the Soviet economy was unreformable. China’s example proved that the transition from a centrally planned to a market economy was possible. Rather, the Soviet Union collapsed because vast political power was entrusted to groups that had every reason to sabotage the efforts to resolve the country’s decades-long financial dilemmas.

In the end, the political clout of these interest groups proved far greater than Gorbachev anticipated. In his quest to reform his country and steer it away from calamity, Gorbachev brought about the very process that would eventually lead to the Soviet Union’s collapse.

This article is adapted from Chris Miller’s new book, The Struggle to Save the Soviet Economy: Mikhail Gorbachev and the Collapse of the USSR.
 
Prevent the August Coup. The New Union Treaty is signed and implemented. The Soviet Union decentralized and transforms into left wing social democracy instead of Yeltsins disastrous shock therapy nonsense
 
What is the root cause?
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China's experience suggests it wasn't necessary to junk the whole Soviet system to increase economic performance. Allow a capitalist economic system while retaining communist political control. Ideologically that wasn't as contradictory as it may seem, for the communists said a genuine capitalist phase is a needed precursor of socialism.
So get rid of state control of industry and agriculture but don't allow political reform such as genuine elections, or independence movements.

Well, not exactly get rid of- even today China has a state monopoly in over thirty key sectors, and SOEs control over 50 percent of the country's industrial assets, ie the state to this day controls the "commanding heights" as it were.
 
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If we're talking about something like the New Union Treaty, there are plenty of works on this board as well as plenty of scholarly articles offering paths out of the muck for a version of the USSR. But whither Eastern Europe? And what about the Republics on the margins; Armenia, the Baltics?

How does a surviving Soviet Union handle these other, very significant losses of prestige? It seems like some new order for Europe will have to be agreed upon with the US and the Soviets at the table. Was a non-aligned bloc ever considered? An expanded Visegrad Group with Romania and Bulgaria added in (or are they left to go their own way)? Can a non-aligned bloc even survive (as a bunch of new-born democracies) without support from Western Europe?

You can't stop the German reunification (and honestly I think everyone's a lot happier with Germany in an EU framework than leading an Eastern Bloc anyway). Austrai/Finland/Sweden are going to be tough to keep out of the EU as well, unless you can arrange for a Nordic Bloc (which I believe was proposed). This might be a home for the Baltics, too, isolated as they are.

Is this reform grounds for rapprochement with China? One might think that's the smart pivot here, rather than to the West. There's still the Korean question between them, of course, but regaining China as a partner- assuming Soviet temperament allows it- is well worth sacrificing the dud half of Korea for. What would this do to Western opinion? Colder attitudes towards China? I'm not thinking a re-ignition of the Cold War, but certainly not the era of good feelings we were working towards throughout the 90s.

Does this broader trend in reform- with the twin successes of Russia and China- trickle down to places like North Korea and Cuba? Vietnam already pretty much took the China path IOTL.

Do the Soviets retain their allies in the Middle East? Are they affected at all?

What on Earth happens in Yugoslavia?
 

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We will see waht the future holds for China. The regime says that increasing prosperity of the citizens is the glue that keep the country togheter, will this go on?
I actually don't know, i think the Communist party can weather an economic recession a lot better than most think

And China has being implementing neo-authoritarian surveillance methods and incorporating tools like the internet into the regime, it's really hard to say whether China establishes a model of authoritarian governance which can last into the 22nd century
 
The easiest way is to raise oil prices. About the only thing of worth Russia produces is fossil fuels .
Maybe the Soviets could develop a manufacturing industry that is succesfull in exporting overseas. That way the Soviet Union would be something other than a resource exporter.
 
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